Oooh...I have a very cranky wife....

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i guess that's it isnt it: Lost sales < cost to fix.

It doesn't sound like it's VA's fault (unless you mean they ditch one provider and jump to the other). From what I read they are two distinct computer systems, so one system knows nothing about the numbers in the other system, which both would need to do to link the reservations.

For them to connect would require that the providers themselves (e.g. Amadeus) link with each other but there's not a lot of incentive to do that and they either wear a big project cost themselves for fairly little demand, or try to pass it on to their airline clients worldwide, some of whom might then argue they don't need/want interconnectivity.

A similar situation was when the bank ATM networks connected with each other which took a while. However, there's a lot more bank customers overall who can be encouraged to switch, and fees are more readily charged in that situation.
 
i guess that's it isnt it: Lost sales < cost to fix.

QF have less excuse, they bought the booking engine for jetstar when they already had the QF one!


Was sitting next to someone who worked for Amadeus on my last SYD-SFO flight. She explained that VAustralia was on an Amadeus system, and Virgin Blue on Open Skies (is that Navataire?). She also explained that Virgin wanted to use a single system for both, however there was three years left to run on the DJ contract, and the cost to break that contract simply wasn't economical at the moment.

The amount of lost sales would have to be, I imagine, quite large, to make this feasible...
 
I checked with our interline manager who happens to be based at SYD about the transfer lounge in the international terminal. The present arrangement is that anyone stepping off any international flight at SYD who wants to check in at the international terminal transfer lounge for an onwards Virgin Blue domestic flight and is not on a single ticket (including interline/codeshare) can do so for $15 which includes transport of the person and their bags to the domestic terminal. The service is obviously free for anyone on a single ticket. The interline manager tells me this fee will be waived for anyone stepping off a V Australia international flight and not on a single ticket (as seems to be the case with IainF's wife) and should have been done by now. He has undertaken to ensure that staff are properly informed and trained and the staff were clearly in the wrong if they did not at least make your wife aware of the option to pay the $15. Again, we're sorry her experience was not up to expectations.

CrazyDave98

Hi Dave,

Sorry to say that she was booked on the one ticket from LAX to BNE... all in PE.
I can send you her PNR if that helps.

Cheers
IainF
 
Hi Dave,

Sorry to say that she was booked on the one ticket from LAX to BNE... all in PE.

I can send you her PNR if that helps.

Cheers
IainF

Yes please Iain that would would be greatly appreciated. We're very keen to understand what went wrong and make sure it does not happen again.
cheers
CrazyDave98
 
Hi Dave,
Will grab it tonight when i get home and PM it through.

I do appreciate your attention to this, not many other airlines have someone like you to answer these matters.

Cheers
IainF
 
I remembered reading this thread a while back, today I dropped a friend off to the airport for ADL-BNE-LAX flying PE.

The check-in at the premium desk was dreadful, the agent at check-in glanced at the e-ticket for a minute, then asking, "What is your name?" in a confused manner, to which I pointed out the section on the e-ticket marked "Guest Name".

Checked in two bags, 16KG and 19KG, a total 35KG. To which the agent noted was 3 KG overweight. Walking away to check the guide book for VAustralia, then talking to another agent, returning to berate us about the bag weight.

I pointed out that the 32KG limit was per piece, which I had checked on the web-site. The agent responded "sorry, the limit is 32KG total", however the excess would be charged in Brisbane as she would need to check-in for the connecting flight there.

To me, the overall impression I am left with is that, Virgin Blue is still well and truly a LCC...
 
I remembered reading this thread a while back, today I dropped a friend off to the airport for ADL-BNE-LAX flying PE.

The check-in at the premium desk was dreadful, the agent at check-in glanced at the e-ticket for a minute, then asking, "What is your name?" in a confused manner, to which I pointed out the section on the e-ticket marked "Guest Name".

Checked in two bags, 16KG and 19KG, a total 35KG. To which the agent noted was 3 KG overweight. Walking away to check the guide book for VAustralia, then talking to another agent, returning to berate us about the bag weight.

I pointed out that the 32KG limit was per piece, which I had checked on the web-site. The agent responded "sorry, the limit is 32KG total", however the excess would be charged in Brisbane as she would need to check-in for the connecting flight there.

There's a few factors to consider here, including whether ADL-BNE-LAX was booked on the same itinerary; if they were booked separately, I could see all the alarm bells ring at once......

I'm guessing that on arrival in BNE there was no excess fee at all :rolleyes: Surprising that the ADL check-in lady wasn't more "book standard" and charged the excess there; if not for her misreading the PE allowances then at least for exceeding the allowance for DJ domestic PE (which, if the interline is set up correctly, would have also been incorrect to apply in this situation, since flights interlining to the US have the same allowance (the international flight's allowance) throughout the entire routing).

To me, the overall impression I am left with is that, Virgin Blue is still well and truly a LCC...

Unnecessary - DJ is an LCC and that's that. They deliberately set up the model that way and people choose DJ (hopefully) with a full understanding that they are flying with an LCC. If DJ is trying to position themselves as a full cost carrier then they are sorely failing.
 
The agent would be correct (assuming the friend was travelling economy):

Unless the ADL-BNE-LAX itinerary was booked in separate parts (esp. with ADL-BNE in Y rather than PE), then the agent was wrong.

In saying that, however, V Australia's baggage information page isn't very clear about the baggage allowance on an interlined booking. I guess the fact that they had to claim bags and recheck them at BNE might imply that interlining was not present (e.g. separate PNRs) and thus all bets were off w.r.t. the baggage allowance for DJ domestic connecting to VA.


EDIT: Red section has been resolved by AussieTim in further posts (but I won't delete it so that others coming back to this thread get the full picture).
 
There's a few factors to consider here, including whether ADL-BNE-LAX was booked on the same itinerary; if they were booked separately, I could see all the alarm bells ring at once......

Yes, all booked on the same ticket from VAustralia web-site.


She is flying Premium Economy the whole way.

I am hoping for a positive review of the in-flight service, it would be nice to try the product anyway, regardless of the first impression at check-in.
 
In saying that, however, V Australia's baggage information page isn't very clear about the baggage allowance on an interlined booking. I guess the fact that they had to claim bags and recheck them at BNE might imply that interlining was not present (e.g. separate PNRs) and thus all bets were off w.r.t. the baggage allowance for DJ domestic connecting to VA.

Oddly enough, did not need to re-check the bags in BNE. They were tagged through to LAX, but only received a boarding pass for ADL-BNE in a folder with the bag weight written down in it.
 
As long as the DJ connecting flight was booked as a VA codeshare (which it owuld be if on the one booking) then it should have been 2 pieces at 32kg each for the DJ and VA legs.
 
It happened again.
VA Premium economy today, BNE-LAX.
Booked at short notice, she wanted to push up her status miles to keep her Velocity Gold.
She had the choice the of VA or QF.
No lounge in BNE, got on board with boarding pass for 10A... was moved to 14 E.
And was moved because some deadheading crew wanted to sit together.
Thats prob what really sent her over the edge.
So the flight back on Sat night via Syd will be her last with VA.

BAck to UA & QF for her LAX flights.
 
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It happened again.
VA Premium economy today, BNE-LAX.
Booked at short notice, she wanted to push up her status miles to keep her Velocity Gold.
She had the choice the of VA or QF.
No lounge in BNE, got on board with boarding pass for 10A... was moved to 14 E.
And was moved because some deadheading crew wanted to sit together.
Thats prob what really sent her over the edge.
So the flight back on Sat night via Syd will be her last with VA.

BAck to UA & QF for her LAX flights.

VA don't have a lounge in BNE - been like that for a while until they open their own or cosy up with another airline. Frankly I don't see how that can be so difficult to do. Not hard to tell either by looking at the VA website, so that's a case of caveat emptor, not really VA's fault.

As for the move thing, I assume she still kept the same class and she had preselected that seat. Whilst VA - like any airline - can rattle off the ol' "we do not guarantee your seat" blah-blah-blah, if it really was only so deadheading crew could sit together then that is a wee bit lame. Not sure what 14E is like compared to 10A but if it isn't as good a seat then I just might be spitting too, and firing off an email or calling V Australia / Velocity.

With Velocity Gold surely her complaint would not be easily dismissed?
 
...And was moved because some deadheading crew wanted to sit together.

Ouch.

Not sure what 14E is like compared to 10A but if it isn't as good a seat then I just might be spitting too, and firing off an email or calling V Australia / Velocity.

SeatGuru Seat Map V Australia Boeing 777-300ER (773)

Looks like 10A is a bulkhead window seat; certainly no comparison to being stuck in the middle of a block of four in the last whY+ row. If I was forcibly relocated to a worse seat for the benefit of a non-rev like this I'd be pretty pissed as well. IainF, I sure hope you or your wife are going to write in about this..
 
Just spoke to her.
She was given a set of Pyjamas by the cabin manager as compensation.....
I know seating cannot be guaranteed, however one of the reasons she chose 10A, was because it had power for her laptop. the seat she was in didn't, and the crew had to plug in her charger from the row in front.
She has asked me to look at cancelling the return flight and swapping to QF.
 
Just spoke to her.
She was given a set of Pyjamas by the cabin manager as compensation.....
I know seating cannot be guaranteed, however one of the reasons she chose 10A, was because it had power for her laptop. the seat she was in didn't, and the crew had to plug in her charger from the row in front.
She has asked me to look at cancelling the return flight and swapping to QF.

SeatGuru's map shows every seat in VA PE has a power port? :confused:

A set of PJs as compensation..... don't know what to make of that. If it were me I'd probably be alright (although it's a case of "had to be there to experience it to make a judgement").
 
SeatGuru's map shows every seat in VA PE has a power port? :confused:

A set of PJs as compensation..... don't know what to make of that. If it were me I'd probably be alright (although it's a case of "had to be there to experience it to make a judgement").

I don't know where the power points are located, but we chose 10A as she has sat there prior, and has had power.
Am on the phone to VA, trying to get her a paid upgrade to J, but they are telling me that she is on a "non-upgradeable fare"
Huh?
I am trying to give you more money, V.... just go with it and we will all be better off.
 
From post 24 above
Yes please Iain that would would be greatly appreciated. We're very keen to understand what went wrong and make sure it does not happen again.
cheers
CrazyDave98
A PM to CrazyDave98 to alert him to this thread again is in order.
 
From post 24 above
A PM to CrazyDave98 to alert him to this thread again is in order.

I sent Dave a PM last time... but the horse has bolted again.
It's not anyones "fault", just a situation that isn't ideal for her.

I am working on getting her into J for the return flight...
 
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