Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

[medhead]

Bulldust - So you pluck one sentence out of the whole lot.

"A market based scheme" is not a government enforced tax on carbon.

There is no reference to any tax at all.

Now, The Coalition challenged that the ALP policy was all a camouflage for a carbon tax.

When so challenged, in clarifying ALP policy, Julia made her statement, and more than once, “There will be no carbon tax under the government I lead”.

So, that policy is not proponing a Carbon Tax, and that is definite - thanks to the PM's clarification.

I'm just going off your quote. Just because TA calls it a tax that doesn't make it a tax. What we have is market based, is it not? There is a market for trading in carbon credits, is there not? As we've recently seen the market price is going to be very low rather soon. Hence making all the doom and gloom about destroying the economy rather hysterical.

 

[Pushka]

Medhead. We don't have a market based tax. It fell through the floor in Europe. Of course this means extra pressure on the budget.

 

[medhead]

Another euphemism. "Adjust Priorities" And a compromise is nothing like saying you wouldn't do one thing before the election and turning the opposite direction afterwards. And only to keep in power.

Trouble is it isn't the opposite direction.

Oh Medhead you just must read more widely.With Julia and BO i was referring to her doing a Keating.It was in a popular Australian magazine but googling it i could only come up with the UK's version-
Obama arrives in Australia amid security alert ahead of talks to strengthen military ties | Mail Online

The pictures say it all.

Hey! I read The Oz, isn't that enough?

Medhead. We don't have a market based tax. It fell through the floor in Europe. Of course this means extra pressure on the budget.

How is market determined pricing, eventually, now market based?

 

[serfty]

I'm just going off your quote. Just because TA calls it a tax that doesn't make it a tax. What we have is market based, is it not? There is a market for trading in carbon credits, is there not? As we've recently seen the market price is going to be very low rather soon. Hence making all the doom and gloom about destroying the economy rather hysterical.

Oh dear ... it is currently not market based. So it must be a tax. If nothing changes then within a few years it will be market based. So then it won't be a tax???

I am thinking something will change - dramatically - before "market based" comes into it.

 

[quokka77]

Malcolm Turnbull please save us...

 

[medhead]

Oh dear ... it is currently not market based. So it must be a tax. If nothing changes then within a few years it will be market based. So then it won't be a tax???

I am thinking something will change - dramatically - before "market based" comes into it.

Isn't a market with a regulated price still a market? Anyone required to get carbon credits has options other than buying them. Anyway:

If nothing changes!!!? Have you missed the whole reason for this thread. :?:

We all know for certain that something is going to change in September around about the 14th. After that date the government plans to just hand out money, our money, to the winners. Maybe I should get into the whiteboard market, they might need one to help them pick the winners.

 

[amaroo]

Bank Super Profit Tax.......budget special?

 

[cove]

Well I see the NDIS is to be partially funded with a proposed 0.5% levy attached to the 1.5% Medicare levy.
The latest figures show 63% oppose it as they don't see why it is a cost that should hit them up.
i don't actually belong in that 63% but why only partially fund it and why only cover to 65 years old when many Australians will need to work until they are much older than this to avoid extreme poverty on an old age pension.
The levy for Medicare and NDIS should actually be in the 2.5% range rather than get set at 2.0% and fool us by increasing our current deficit that is growing alarmingly.

 

[Mal]

Didn't Gillard once say that there would be no NDIS levy? Recall something about it, but can't find the quote...

 

[drron]

Didn't Gillard once say that there would be no NDIS levy? Recall something about it, but can't find the quote...

Yes but more recently she has promised not to keep her promises.

 

[Pushka]

Isn't a market with a regulated price still a market?.

Last name Swan by any chance?

Yes but more recently she has promised not to keep her promises.

Well there's progress.

I wish there was an embargo on Government spending now she announced the date. A cool several million to be wasted on her Gonsky report and a scheme no one trusts her to fulfil nor want. Such a waste of public money.

 

[medhead]

some food for thought for those on $150000+ who feel they can't afford their private health insurance.

Ross Gittins budget and tax and social disadvantage

 

[Pushka]

some food for thought for those on $150000+ who feel they can't afford their private health insurance.

Ross Gittins budget and tax and social disadvantage

Kind of like Craig Thompson struggling to live on $190,000 really.

Independent Dobell MP Craig Thomson struggles on $190,550 | News.com.au

 

[casanovawa]

Didn't Gillard once say that there would be no NDIS levy? Recall something about it, but can't find the quote...

Last night on Lateline it had a clip of Gillard saying, as i recall, straight out there would be no increase in the Medicare Levy... If it now happens it will be just another bald faced double backflip with pike to add to all her others... Wong, who was being interviewed, said it wasn't her job to comment on what the PM said, but to help find the money to make the budget work...

And as Michael Chaney, is he Chairman of Woodside, said last night a levy is usually a short term revenue raising measure, i guess it goes back to the "medicare levy" itself being a permenant tax but dressed up under another name, if this new impost on taxpayers will be here to stay, just call it what it really is...

 

[drron]

To give Julia her due the new levy she said was separate to the Medicare levy and all funds will be put into a special account to fund the NDIS.Semantics yes.It will be permanent.But she technically has not broken another promise.
If you believe in a NDIS this quite probably the fairest way to fund it.Of course I haven't learnt the details of the NDIS and the devil is always in the detail.

 

[Pushka]

I did see Gillard is not implementing it before the next election which means it will be an election issue. I agree with the concept but also wonder how it crosses with permanent disability insurance. Have no issue with the concept for children and teenagers.

 

[SFSC]

Let's hope it can be handled in a bipartisan manner. If it is not then it will be one of the things I will be thinking of on election day.

 

[amaroo]

Good policy - pity about the wedge politics:evil:

Funny, Julia didn't need any LIB/NAT votes to get the Carbon tax, Mining tax, Industrial Relations, Health Rebate & the range of other items through parliament......

Good policy - Spoilt by poor politics:!:

 

[drron]

some food for thought for those on $150000+ who feel they can't afford their private health insurance.

Ross Gittins budget and tax and social disadvantage

And here is some more food for thought-
http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2013/4/30/politics/seven-deadly-gillard-sins

And what TA should do-
Tony Abbott's fine red line | Business Spectator

 

[casanovawa]

So she's (or whoever) just going to tax us more to provide this?? I thought they were going to find some way to work it into current funding, maybe slash something we didn't need to do and replace it with this??

I find that a little hard to get excited about myself... Nothing particularly innovative about that, they could load us up with any bunch of surcharges, levies, co-payments and propose almost any load of bollocks...