Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

[drron]

Amaroo how lucky are you.The big Clive standing in Fairfax!
Our hardware store at this end of the Coast was appropriate today with his thought for today-"Does Clive need a Slipper"

 

[Pushka]

I am amaze-balled that Tony Abbott has decided to back the NDIS. A man who has little social conscience supporting people's with disabilities, that made my day.

Seriously, I am amazed (well, disgusted actually) at how people have any understanding of his lack of social judgement. He has been a volunteer CFS worker for years. Long before he even became a high profile politician.

And Gillard has done what with her own personal time?

He has never said he wouldn't support an NDIS. His reluctance I believe stems from his doubts about the Gillard Government successfully implementing it and funding it.

 

[11sjw]

And Gillard has done what with her own personal time?

Something to do with Union funds!

 

[cove]

11sjw you are naughty enough to join us for drinks tomorrow night at the Royal at 6 pm.

 

[amaroo]

Amaroo how lucky are you.The big Clive standing in Fairfax!
Our hardware store at this end of the Coast was appropriate today with his thought for today-"Does Clive need a Slipper"

LOL - I think in the past week Clive has held more press interviews and highlighted the seat of Fairfax more than what "Alex whatshisname" had done for the past 20+ years.

Interesting seat. The new LNP candidate is from old money.....Defiance Flour Mills, started 1898, owned & managed by the family for a 100 years before flogging it to a multinational.

 

[Alanslegal]

Looks like Tony Abbott will get the numbers to repeal the Carbon Tax and because of that I will need to find ways to spend my 9% decrease in utilities costs post 14/9 [and I am glad Whyalla SA gets to be resuscitated from the oblivion].

Numbers shaping up for carbon tax repeal

 

[Hvr]

Little social conscience - member of Surf Living Saving, Rural Fire Brigade and is currently riding his bike in the Pollie Pedal event raising money for worthy causes. The list goes on......

Fair enough that people may not like his policies, party or him.......however, throwing stones at him about a lack of social conscience, caring for & assisting other people - is just hateful vomit!

Yeah, all good publicity for him. Still you're right he does a lot including providing a reference for a paedophile priest. Good to see he supports the Catholic church through thick and thin. Still they're his main social policy advisors as we return to the 1950s where the women will be put back in their place.

I wonder if he'll save money by winding down the Royal Commission in to church sponsored child sexual abuse? Can't have the church held accountable now can we?

 

[amaroo]

Yeah, all good publicity for him. Still you're right he does a lot including providing a reference for a paedophile priest. Good to see he supports the Catholic church through thick and thin. Still they're his main social policy advisors as we return to the 1950s where the women will be put back in their place.

I wonder if he'll save money by winding down the Royal Commission in to church sponsored child sexual abuse? Can't have the church held accountable now can we?

Look here ^ for an example of the type of thing articulated in an early post (below in bold) !

Little social conscience - member of Surf Living Saving, Rural Fire Brigade and is currently riding his bike in the Pollie Pedal event raising money for worthy causes. The list goes on......

Fair enough that people may not like his policies, party or him.......however, throwing stones at him about a lack of social conscience, caring for & assisting other people - is just hateful vomit!

 

[lovestotravel]

Tony had no choice but to support the NDIS!

I don't support the increase in the medicare levy though, but yet again Julia implements just another tax and already there appears to be chances of it blowing out to $20Billion+ per year.

It should be funded from cuts to other spending and not another tax

As for the carbon tax, it can't go soon enough!

 

[Pushka]

Yeah, all good publicity for him. Still you're right he does a lot including providing a reference for a paedophile priest. Good to see he supports the Catholic church through thick and thin. Still they're his main social policy advisors as we return to the 1950s where the women will be put back in their place.

I wonder if he'll save money by winding down the Royal Commission in to church sponsored child sexual abuse? Can't have the church held accountable now can we?

All in all, I think this rates as one of the nastiest, vilest comments I have read thus far. Shame on you.

 

[casanovawa]

Little social conscience - member of Surf Living Saving, Rural Fire Brigade and is currently riding his bike in the Pollie Pedal event raising money for worthy causes. The list goes on......

Fair enough that people may not like his policies, party or him.......however, throwing stones at him about a lack of social conscience, caring for & assisting other people - is just hateful vomit!

Let them carry on in their delusions...

 

[casanovawa]

All in all, I think this rates as one of the nastiest, vilest comments I have read thus far. Shame on you.

The party, and its rabble of self interested hangers ons, are rapidly headed for annihilation and/or irrelevance... I suppose they will get a bit stroppy over the next several months....

 

[casanovawa]

Tony had no choice but to support the NDIS!

I don't support the increase in the medicare levy though, but yet again Julia implements just another tax and already there appears to be chances of it blowing out to $20Billion+ per year.

It should be funded from cuts to other spending and not another tax

As for the carbon tax, it can't go soon enough!

Yeah, don't support it in this current form either, unfortunately he got stampeded into by a BS, won't someone consider the children/furry animals type wedge politics stunt... Just more of the sh!te way of policy making her and and her bunch of no hopers routinely use, but because she made it a wedge topic so close to the election he somewhat needed to fall in...

As with everything they touch it will just be another load of bollocks that will over cost and under deliver, you can almost guarantee that... Hopefully in a calmer atmosphere after the election he can add more sense to it...

 

[Skyring]

Yeah, all good publicity for him.

Just quietly, but Tony Abbot wouldn't see it that way. For example, he's been involved in Aboriginal communities for years, frequently spending weeks at a time in remote areas. But how much do you know about that?

Not a lot, because he didn't publicise it, at the time or subsequently.

Since becoming the leader of the Liberal Party, his profile is higher, and it's impossible to do anything like that without the media finding out and coming along for the good stories with the interesting photographs etc.

What I'm saying is that not all people do things the same way. Some politicians, they do these community events for the photo opportunities and the publicity and as part of a wider program - for example every time there's any move on the Gonski thing, Julia Gillard is seen in a school. Not a university.

Others, they have different and deeper involvements.

Going wider, looking at the whole thread here, I'm reminded of fanbois pumping up their preferred airline or operating system or whatever. The side they support can do no wrong, be it Apple or Qantas or Collingwood, and the other guys are just pale imitations of the real thing with inferior products, full of lies and distortions.

Of course, people are entitled to pick sides and cheer their favorites, nothing wrong with that. It's just that it becomes a little tiresome when the bias runs 24/7, no let up, and it's presented as an objective viewpoint.

All politicians play games. They have to. But I think that to most people - those who aren't one-eyed supporters of one side or another - Tony Abbot comes across as a bit more genuine than Julia Gillard in the core belief area. You get a good feeling of what Abbott stands for, whether you support those things or not.

Julia Gillard, well, just what does she stand for?

She seems to be strongly supportive of whatever the latest focus group favours.

 

[casanovawa]

The problem is if she just did that, she might have a semblance of popularity about her... But i think she doesn't have much of a clue about what the people want, and if she does get within a bull's roar of it, her and that village idiot Swannie can't deliver it without c0cking it up...

Maybe she needs to employ a new bunch of focus groups?? But lets face it, with only 4-5 months left the ship is well and truly holed and going down fast... Most on that side are in deep post-election employment planning...

 

[drron]

Yeah, all good publicity for him. Still you're right he does a lot including providing a reference for a paedophile priest. Good to see he supports the Catholic church through thick and thin. Still they're his main social policy advisors as we return to the 1950s where the women will be put back in their place.

I wonder if he'll save money by winding down the Royal Commission in to church sponsored child sexual abuse? Can't have the church held accountable now can we?

Where does all this bile come from?
You have a serious problem obviously.Your knowledge of Tony Abbott is abysmal.There is a lot more to him than his Catholic religion.
As to paedophiles QLD members of parliament have been jailed for this-why aren't you demanding the QLD ALP be part of the investigation by the Royal Commission.


Oh I'm sorry I forgot.People with right wing thoughts can never be considered nice people with reasonable ideas.Only those from the left have a conscience and can be considered good people.They would never think of writing a reference for a Union mate who was going to make $14 million by dealing with a corrupt ALP Minister.Oops sorry that's what Greg Combet did.

And by the way TA actually said he supported a National Disability scheme in his address to the National press club on 31/1/2012.Well before this disgraceful PM tried to make political capital out of it.And Bill Shorten saying people with disabilities have second class lives.

 

[Skyring]

As with everything they touch it will just be another load of bollocks that will over cost and under deliver, you can almost guarantee that... Hopefully in a calmer atmosphere after the election he can add more sense to it...

I have little faith in either side to implement the scheme as it should.

People have accidents, people become disabled, often through no fault of their own. Even if it's something that is their own fault, like an unsuccessful suicide attempt or whatever, they still wind up disabled and need support.

This support has to be provided or we turn into the kind of community that puts quadriplegics and blind people out in the streets to beg.

Currently, to get the sort of money to pay for major disability, you pretty much have to sue somebody. The council for not putting up a warning sign, the transport authority for not stopping the train, the supermarket for not mopping their floors. Whoever might possibly be at fault and have deep enough pockets to pay for the care you need.

That's not how we should work as a community. It's inefficient and the only real winners are the tortists.

I think that the community should provide the necessary care. It shouldn't be a matter of trying to blame somebody. It should be automatic. If you become paraplegic or blind or whatever, the care should be made available. Regardless of whether you got drunk and did something foolish, or there was a failure on somebody else's part.

Good on Gillard for getting this NDIS ball rolling. But why, when it has bipartisan support, does she present it as a sort of ongoing election advertising campaign?

 

[Skyring]

Maybe she needs to employ a new bunch of focus groups?? But lets face it, with only 4-5 months left the ship is well and truly holed and going down fast.

When you are in a hole, the best thing to do is stop digging. Julia Gillard got into this fix by always choosing the politically correct way of doing something. She's always been the pinup girl for the student politics guide to success. Win the political game at all costs. As a result, she is seen as the perfect political animal, playing games that the community doesn't understand or care for. Question Time in Parliament is like another planet as far as the average Australian is concerned.

She seems to think she can somehow keep on doing the same thing that got her into this mess to get her out of it. She must be so pissed off that nobody is listening to her. Nobody but the choir, that is, and when half of them have given up, people like Simon Crean, perhaps it's time to stop talking and start listening.

 

[casanovawa]

I have little faith in either side to implement the scheme as it should.

In many things in life, if you count on the government there is a good chance that you will be disappointed...

That's why most people who can take their kids out of the public school system do... If you can afford private health care you go for it...

 

[cove]

Clearly the 0.5% levy will not fund the cost of NDIS and why does it finish at 65?
The correct figure should be about 1.5% when it is fully operational. The money collected should go straight to the States as we don't need a new layer of Federal government to grab a large percentage of the money as admin costs.
I am familiar with the Disability Services Commission as I was involved in an agency that dealt with children who had a development delay in WA.