Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

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Why did he touch her at all? Why would she be so affronted and willing to have him charged if the incident was as harmless as he claims?? Why does Latham bringing it up years later change the fact that the incident occurred. Bottom of the barrel indeed!

I have tried to source links for you and respond when others have. Do YOU have any facts for me, or just your well-worn-out opinion?

Then you should read your own links as his reasons are explained in the article.

[ "Abbott said: 'She was speaking about me in a highly critical way, calling me an AUS basher and noted right-wing supporter'," The Daily Telegraph reported."'To let her know I was standing behind her I leaned forward and tapped her on the back, about the level of her jeans belt. I just wanted to attract her attention'."
Seven witnesses said they saw Mr Abbott touch Ms Wilson on the back.]

You didn't offend me by using the expression. Its just I left such words behind when I grew up. My son likes watching mythbusters.

 
An author changes the dates of the one episode that got the media's attention and it is not important?

Let me take this real slow for you. Imagine if David Marr was commenting on an alleged rape that occurred in 1977. Suppose he initially dated the rape as happening in one month, then later on corrected it to another month. Does this therefore mean that the rape never happened (regardless of evidence) or does it just mean that the author made a mistake? Choose wisely as your answer will reveal your character.


Your bias has me ROTFLMAO

Yours doesn't, but that's by-the-by.

But I will give you my hypothesis on what happened and why everyone may be telling the truth as they saw it,even TA.
The 2 witnesses followed the right wing goons because they were part of the left wing goons.
Barbara Ramjan says TA punched the wall on both sides of her head.The witnesses saw TA swing a punch.the second one says I saw TA raise his elbow above his head.Now does a boxer(which TA was at the time) punch like that?

So my scenario is that TA wanted to intimidate BR,also remember in one of the articles I quoted says that TA had been bashed at a student's conference,so he leant down to put his face in front of hers.Lifted his arms and put them on the wall beside her to stop her getting away and then told her,quite probably in explicit terms,that he was going to win the next election.
In that scenario BR could well have thought it was punches as she was scared,the witnesses would see TA raise his arm and TA would have no memory of throwing a punch as it certainly to a boxer not a punch.
Now it shows disrespect to women if TA did not treat males the same way.The evidence suggests he did.

That is priceless! How you imagine it happened back in 1977 doesn't really cut the mustard compared to witnesses who were there. But keep on believing that Tony Abbott has never had a problem with strong women who took him on. Craig Thomson is very misunderstood too, don't you know.
 
Craig Thomson is very misunderstood too, don't you know.
I think he is understood all too well. I think Julia Gillard understands exactly what sort of a person he is. That's why she gave him the boot.
 
If you make allegations against someone then you have to get the date correct. Law 101.
 
Moody your references are allegations.They are not proven facts.I only gave a scenario that could have explained all the evidence we have.

And by the way a woman saying she has been raped is usually the way it is but not always.And just so you dont get your knickers in a knot I was a medical witness in a rape case.after i presented my evidence the judge dismissed the case.it was physically impossible for the guy to have done what was alleged.

Moody David Marr delighted in accusing other journalists of getting his facts wrong.As you read the Gerard Henderson piece I linked I assume you noted that David Marr asserted he or a researcher of his had checked all facts in the Fisher library including Honi Soit.If he had really done so the mistake would not have been made.
As well in his book he said that the sexual assault case was hanging over his head when the"punch"occurred.In edition one the assault case was said to have happened in august,the"punch"in september when in fact the "punch" was in july and the assault in October.Makes a huge difference.It also raises the possibility of a faulty memory when a President of the SRC does not remember the election date.

Of course Moody I realise that your inherent bias renders you incapable of making any other conclusion than TA is the lowest of the low.

But using the Moody rule of law there are also allegations,two adverse findings and a court case in the offing for Craig Thomson and allegations and an ongoing police investigation of the AWU incident.Therefore you can not complain of others thinking CT or JG are unsuitable for office as they are just using the Moody principle.
 
I find it difficult to understand the passion with which some people post on this thread.

Politics is not that exciting and how do you remain so enthusiastic with the countless lies and broken promises of each election campaign.
 
I'm a bit slow today... can someone explain this to me? (the bribed bit?)

My mistake .... I thought you had posted on the Las Vegas Hotels bribing thread. This error of course renders all the evidence about TA's bully-boy past null and void. Bugger!

I just hope I never get the dates of the holocaust wrong as it would be a shame for that to be erased from history too.
 
Moody your references are allegations.They are not proven facts.I only gave a scenario that could have explained all the evidence we have..

And I will say it again - in my opinion the evidence of 4 individuals who were there at the time sort of trumps your hypothesis, don't you think? Or is that someones inherent bias coming out?

Of course Moody I realise that your inherent bias renders you incapable of making any other conclusion than TA is the lowest of the low.

I never said he was the lowest of the low. I said that he had an unsavoury past at uni which confirms (in my mind) that he has a big problem with female opponents. I think others may have picked this up too, judging by the reaction when Julia Gillard tore him a new one in parliament.

But using the Moody rule of law there are also allegations,two adverse findings and a court case in the offing for Craig Thomson and allegations and an ongoing police investigation of the AWU incident.Therefore you can not complain of others thinking CT or JG are unsuitable for office as they are just using the Moody principle.

There is no Moody rule of law, just a Moody code of conduct. If CT's past comes back to bite him and he is convicted of serious fraud (i.e. - not just picking up a chocolate bar when filling up the company vehicle or ordering an in-room movie whilst travelling), then I will be the first one to say sayonara Craig. If JG is found guilty of knowingly setting up an illegal entity to siphon union funds then she too is unfit for office. But since you are so keen to go back to events that occured before members came to parliament, then doesn't that apply to TA? Or is he under the protection of Cardinal Pell?
 
After a very very very very long time :-)
During Question Time on 16 August 2011, Prime Minister Gillard was asked if her confidence in Craig Thomson was based on a thorough investigation of his credibility. She replied, "I have complete confidence in the member for Dobell. I look forward to him continuing to do that job for a very long, long, long time to come."Gillard later moved to suspend Thomson from the ALP on 29 April 2012, saying "At the moment, Australian voters see a dark cloud over Parliament. I have made a judgment about the Parliament and about respect for the Parliament. There is a line which has been crossed here." She said the decision was solely hers but that Thomson agreed with her. Later he stated that he had had different reasons for leaving the party than those given by the PM.
 
I find it difficult to understand the passion with which some people post on this thread.

Politics is not that exciting and how do you remain so enthusiastic with the countless lies and broken promises of each election campaign.

I understand. And I'm normally the same. And for the many many elections I have voted in, that has been exactly the way I feel. But this time round I am so disillusioned with this Govt and actually very worried with the direction in which Australia is heading and just need to have their incompetence removed now. The Greens have far too much influence in this minority govt. he'll medhead, even you would agree with that. ;) Maybe you have to be an employer to see where some of the major issues are but I doubt it.

Another thing I dislike on this thread is the vile comments made about Abbott when his competence as a PM has not been tested. I was happy to see Gillard have the opportunity, but well, look what happened there.
 
I was happy to see Gillard have the opportunity, but well, look what happened there.
Exactly right. After Rudd's dithering, I was glad to see not just a person of action and ability step up, but a woman. We can always use more women in leadership positions because politics has largely been a white male game since well, forever.

I was glad to see her. But how can anybody hold her up as a shining example now? The political posturing sickens me. It's not a game where the points are won and lost in media coverage. This is real people, real lives, real economy, real world, and Julia Gillard is making a big a hash as Rudd did, in her own special way.

Maybe Abbott will be just as bad. Maybe. But we can't go back to failed experiments, living on hope and wishes. Rewarding poor behaviour is just a recipe for more of the same.
 
If a miracle occurs and julia gets the role as PM.... I can't see anything changing from the destructive path Australia is on. Assuming her party fully support her (and there are no minor parties pulling strings) I honestly can't see her steering the ship in the right direction.

So who else with labor would be a better leader? Is there anyone?
 
Exactly right. After Rudd's dithering, I was glad to see not just a person of action and ability step up, but a woman. We can always use more women in leadership positions because politics has largely been a white male game since well, forever.

I was glad to see her. But how can anybody hold her up as a shining example now? The political posturing sickens me. It's not a game where the points are won and lost in media coverage. This is real people, real lives, real economy, real world, and Julia Gillard is making a big a hash as Rudd did, in her own special way.

Maybe Abbott will be just as bad. Maybe. But we can't go back to failed experiments, living on hope and wishes. Rewarding poor behaviour is just a recipe for more of the same.

What particular political posturing and how would Tony Abbott have done things differently. Give me some examples please because I can't respond to waffle.

And BTW - do I think Labour and JG in particular have excelled themselves??? Nope. I just see no credible alternative at the moment and "giving the other guy a go" is the most moronic approach I can think of because it forces both sides to be very short sighted. Rudd should have taken ETS and the mining tax to the people and trusted them with the call - doesn't matter that the electorate is easily fooled by climate sceptics and the mining lobby ... sometimes you just have to back your position; win, lose or draw.
 
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What particular political posturing?
Every day there's more. Just like Craig Thomson, digging himself deeper and deeper. "I have complete confidence in the member for Dobell. I look forward to him continuing to do that job for a very long, long, long time to come."

They are two of a kind, and the voters are reacting to what they see as untruths and evasions.
 
...the electorate is easily fooled...
How right you are! Let me quote Abraham Lincoln on this. "You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time."

As Julia is discovering.
 
What particular political posturing and how would Tony Abbott have done things differently. Give me some examples please because I can't respond to waffle.

And BTW - do I think Labour and JG in particular have excelled themselves??? Nope. I just see no credible alternative at the moment and "giving the other guy a go" is the most moronic approach I can think of because it forces both sides to be very short sighted. Rudd should have taken ETS and the mining tax to the people and trusted them with the call...

Moody - here is the record of the current and ex-Rudd govenment.

Stolen Generations empty symbolism, 20/20 gabfest, botched reforms resulting in employee share ownership being unworkable, Kyoto Protocol empty symbolism, unjustified alcopops tax, BER waste, pink batts waste, grocery watchdog, cash for clunkers, increased illegal boat arrivals, the deficit, RSPT debacle, panicked response to GFC resulting in blown surplus and a delay of GFC from 2008 to 2013, the RSPT then MRRT debacle, record government advertising (the cancer of society), expensive renewable energy schemes, knifing of their own PM in first term, there will be no carbon tax under a government I lead, larger and less efficient public sector, wafer thin illusionary surplus becoming larger defecits, live cattle trade debacle still affecting cattle farmers, an NBN without cost benefit analysis, government borrowing forcing interest rates higher, malaysia and east timor solutions abandoned, the flood levy, MDBA screw-ups, class warfare rhetoric, australian network tender screwup, Craig Thompson and Peter Slipper scandals, PM's office implicated in australia day riots, breakdown of federal/state relations, loss of Private Health rebate, tax increases for everyone over $80K, rising unemployment, continued fiddling with superannuation rules, education tax refund backflip, Fair Work Act resulting in more strikes, HSU scandal, threats to the freedom of press by captain underpants, throwing away taxpayers $$ on car industry assistance, worthy but still unfunded NDIS and Gonski schemes, fishing trawler backflip, john mctiernans imported scottish class warfare and spin, the brutal treatment of senior minister such as Crean and Ferguson from the leadership challenge that never was, the "failure is not an option" budget surplus becoming a defecit based on ridiculously optimistic treasury forcasting, ministers simply making up data about 457 visas, wildly optimistic assumptions in treasury forecasting resulting in budgets that are works of fiction, increasing federal interference in areas of state responsibility such as health, education and the environment/planning with resultant duplication and waste, high australian dollar partly due to interest rates which affects all of australias exporters, no budget surplus in sight.... and anyone whom points any of these things out must be a misogynist or some represent some sort of vested interest.


You can bet that they will not be running on this record during the election campaign, hence the scare campaign and personal attacks on Tony Abbott....
 
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