Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

[drsmithy]

A leader who makes important decisions based on emotion rather than reason is a leader I'm not going to follow.

I'm a little unclear on how the performance that is question time is related to making policy decisions.

And doubly so for someone driven in their actions by hatred of others.

Uh huh. How about contempt of others ?

 

[drsmithy]

Hmmmm ... this was all discussed back at the end of April - here's a couple of my posts from that time:

So if it doesn't change to a floating price in 2015, you'll have a point ?

 

[Skyring]

I'm a little unclear on how the performance that is question time is related to making policy decisions.

If a person is governed by hate, and makes it so obvious in the most public of performances, then how can they keep it out of the rest of their lives?

There are times when emotion is a good thing in a leader, and I am reminded of the obvious distress Bob Hawke displayed over Tienamen Square, or the bubbling joy when Australia II won the America's Cup. It made him one of the people. We all felt that way.

But I never thought that Hawkey was ruled by his heart. His great strength was finding consensus and to do that there must be empathy. Hawke generally found a way to find peace and a good outcome. He was famous for it in his union days.

We don't feel that with Julia Gillard, do we?

 

[Skyring]

Uh huh. How about contempt of others ?

I'm sorry you feel that way. I'm not a Christian, but Jesus gave us much useful advice.

 

[Skyring]

Well Kim got the sack for the memory lapse about Rove McManus. Maybe he wasn't tight enough with the union puppeteers.

He was too nice a guy to win elections, especially when he was up against Howard at the top of his game.

He'd had his run and Labor felt he had had had more than enough chances. Funny that they eventually settled on Mark Latham to carry the flag. The ALP can shoot itself in the foot as well as any other mob.

 

[drsmithy]

If a person is governed by hate, and makes it so obvious in the most public of performances, then how can they keep it out of the rest of their lives?

You're begging the question.

There are times when emotion is a good thing in a leader, and I am reminded of the obvious distress Bob Hawke displayed over Tienamen Square, or the bubbling joy when Australia II won the America's Cup. It made him one of the people. We all felt that way.

I'm sure a lot of women feel just like Gillard when facing off against sneering, sexist [moderated] like Tony Abbot, as well. I doubt many would begrudge her a bit of "emotion".

We don't feel that with Julia Gillard, do we?

Well you obviously don't. Personally, I find your boy Tony to be a very angry man and that scares me a lot more.

 

[Deleted member]

You're begging the question.


I'm sure a lot of women feel just like Gillard when facing off against sneering, sexist coughholes like Tony Abbot, as well. I doubt many would begrudge her a bit of "emotion".


Well you obviously don't. Personally, I find your boy Tony to be a very angry man and that scares me a lot more.

So you're easily scared then . If so then you must be in a state abject terror with the current leader and her government.

 

[Pushka]

I'm sure a lot of women feel just like Gillard when facing off against sneering, sexist ****** like Tony Abbot, as well. I doubt many would begrudge her a bit of "emotion"..

This bit is what makes professional competent women cringe. Gillard serves up the gender rubbish when she is held accountable for her policies. She does more damage to women's causes because when the going gets tough she yells the gender card. Yet she completely ignored Julie Bishop in her recent lather about men in a Liberal Government. She seems to think its ok to serve it out but she does worse herself. You assume that women find Abbott is sexist but the truth is that he is no more sexist than Jo Blow on the street.

Your nasty comments about Abbott, are vile and unnecessary. And wrong.

 

[Skyring]

Your nasty comments about Abbott, are vile and unnecessary.

I thought the language revealed a lot about the writer. If these are the terms drsmithy uses, then he can hardly be offended on anyone's behalf when others use foul and abusive language.

There is far too much of that in this thread. Foul language and attacks on others.

 

[Pushka]

I thought the language revealed a lot about the writer. If these are the terms drsmithy uses, then he can hardly be offended on anyone's behalf when others use foul and abusive language.

There is far too much of that in this thread. Foul language and attacks on others.

Well. It's back to that old gremlin of "values" isn't it, discussed way back on this thread. It seems that only Labor people have them and that gives them the right to abuse others but the others, if they say likewise, are scum.

 

[tgh]

It's certainly a topical and interesting debate, however those attempting to defend the indefensible really have little in the way of ammunition.. hence the descent to taunts and abuse.

There is an intelligent and arguable "case" for labor , we just don't have anyone up to it participating in this discussion.

Hence my amen comment the other day...as it's all descended into stuff that should interest the mods .. ( based on the weighty response to my transgression last week )

Perhaps we need to start a philosophical thread... canvassing belief systems , moral values , and the history thereof....

 

[drsmithy]

Ah, I love the smell of hypocrisy in the morning.

 

[Pushka]

Just laughable really.

 

[cove]

I will be hoping to hear what Kim Beazley has to say about this nightmare once it is over.

 

[TheRealTMA]

I will be hoping to hear what Kim Beazley has to say about this nightmare once it is over.

Given that he and his ex-team are responsible for keeping Howard in power for so long, yes, it will indeed, if he can actually have a policy on the issue.

 

[drsmithy]

So you're easily scared then .

Not really, no.

 

[drsmithy]

You assume that women find Abbott is sexist but the truth is that he is no more sexist than Jo Blow on the street.

And you don't think a high profile federal politician - most like the next Prime Minister - should be held to a higher standard than "Joe Blow on the street" ?

Your nasty comments about Abbott, are vile and unnecessary. And wrong.

I find him to be a rather vile, unnecessary and incorrect man, so that seems appropriate.

 

[Pushka]

And you don't think a high profile federal politician - most like the next Prime Minister - should be held to a higher standard than "Joe Blow on the street" ?

I find him to be a rather vile, unnecessary and incorrect man, so that seems appropriate.

A rapist is vile, a murderer is vile, a pedophile is vile. I don't consider any of our politicians to be vile. What on earth does "incorrect " mean? Clearly you hate Catholics, but that is hardly incorrect. He is not a misogynist despite Gillards claims; unnecessary? What on earth do you mean by that? That's just inane.

As far as standards go, I think Joe Blow has more than most politicians so I'm quite happy if they can live up to Joe's standards.

 

[drron]

Just as well you like the smell of hypocrisy in the morning drsmithy.

 

[drsmithy]

A rapist is vile, a murderer is vile, a pedophile is vile.

So let me get this straight: you're equating me calling Tony Abbot sexist with rape, murder and child abuse ?

What on earth does "incorrect " mean?

Most of the time he's wrong

unnecessary? What on earth do you mean by that? That's just inane.

he's not necessary. We don't need the damage he's going to cause.