Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

[Skyring]

Well the question was poorly put serfty - the answers (I presume) were meant to be Tony bbbott and Kevin Rudd, not yes and no (which make no sense as answers)

I dunno. It seemed logical. Here's an example of the same sort of question:

Back at home, Bart is nagging Homer for answers to a set of questions.

Bart: So, what's it like being famous, dad?

Homer: People know your name, but you don't know theirs. It's great.

Bart: Do you wear boxers or briefs?

Homer (checking): Nope.

 

[drsmithy]

Ah yes. Economies of scale. If we have a hundred times as many, it will only cost fifty times as much.

No, that's not the argument being made at all.

 

[serfty]

Well the question was poorly put serfty - the answers (I presume) were meant to be Tony Abbott and Kevin Rudd, not yes and no (which make no sense as answers)

At least I go something out of that poll - a laugh ... (ISTR, the Melbourne Herald Sun having the same questions with a yes or a no answer a few weeks ago - people actually spent money to call a number to vote ...)

IMHO, with such polls - the volunteer participate in such still tend to have a line to push and are rarely impartial, even those nominating as 'undecided'.

 

[medhead]

No they didn't mention the other polls. Presumably the data from those polls are available online somewhere.

Is there somewhere I can go to view the debate - would love to see it before settling in to watch Q&A at 9.30pm tonight

Foxtel had it on continuous play on their election channel, if that helps.

Personally I do not concern myself with the results of such polls - those that bother to participate in such I reckon tend to have a party / line to push and are rarely impartial. (Even nine's 'undecided', to me does not imply 'impartial'.)

To me the result of this poll (as posted by erkpod) has just as much meaning:

I was only really concerned with how it was reported. Hence i didnt mention the results reported by the AFR. AFR also reported the results among the declared undecided people. I agree that things like the worm are pretty meaningless.

I'll get around to reading the Oz later tonight.

 

[BadgerBoi]

Re: Where will you be election day (September 14th)

Was just following his illegal notes!
That was the point when on Ch7 Rudd dipped into the 20-30% approval range.

Will Mr Abbott refuse to increase the GST in the same way that his predecessor, Uncle Arthur, ruled out introducing it at all by saying "Never ever. It's dead. It was killed by voters at the last election."

In reality it was Meg Lees' fault for doing the deal with him, but that old fraud Howard could never be held at his word.

 

[Skyring]

Have to laugh. Tony Abbott, talking about Rudd's one-man-band approach to teamwork, inadvertently described Rudd as the suppository of all wisdom.

Those Freudian slips! Just one dam' thing after amother.

 

[BadgerBoi]

I think they would ALL have been white and the key word is economic, not 'invite'

Ahh, it's easy to be less outraged when the invading hordes are nice white people

 

[Pushka]

My recollection is that the Coalition went to an election in full knowledge that a GST was going to be implemented if the one. As opposed to Gillard who went to an election saying that a Carbon Tax would not be implemented in a Government she led. However you try to spin it, I know whose word is more reliable.

 

[amaroo]

My recollection is that the Coalition went to an election in full knowledge that a GST was going to be implemented if the one. As opposed to Gillard who went to an election saying that a Carbon Tax would not be implemented in a Government she led. However you try to spin it, I know whose word is more reliable.

It went something like this - Vote for me and you get the GST........clear cut & exactly what occurred.

Goods and Services Tax (Australia) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"before the 1998 election, Howard proposed a GST that would replace all sales taxes, as well as applying to all goods and services. The Howard Government finished on a two-party-preferred vote of 49.02% at the election, suffering a swing of 4.61% to Labor on 50.98%. However, the incumbent government retained a parliamentary majority of seats in the lower house. Howard described the election win as a "mandate for the GST". Lacking a Senate majority, and with Labor opposed to the introduction of the GST, the government turned to the minor parties such as theAustralian Democrats for support."

Ahhhh - the cycle of OZ politics.

 

[Moody]

It went something like this - Vote for me and you get the GST........clear cut & exactly what occurred.

Goods and Services Tax (Australia) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"before the 1998 election, Howard proposed a GST that would replace all sales taxes, as well as applying to all goods and services. The Howard Government finished on a two-party-preferred vote of 49.02% at the election, suffering a swing of 4.61% to Labor on 50.98%. However, the incumbent government retained a parliamentary majority of seats in the lower house. Howard described the election win as a "mandate for the GST". Lacking a Senate majority, and with Labor opposed to the introduction of the GST, the government turned to the minor parties such as theAustralian Democrats for support."

Ahhhh - the cycle of OZ politics.

49% = mandate? Must be a new definition of the term ...

Lucky that Meg Lees was in charge, as nice Natasha would never have done a deal with the devil*

(*OK - I have no way of knowing if this is/was true, and if you do know otherwise then please keep it to yourself.)

 

[Moody]

My recollection is that the Coalition went to an election in full knowledge that a GST was going to be implemented if the one. As opposed to Gillard who went to an election saying that a Carbon Tax would not be implemented in a Government she led. However you try to spin it, I know whose word is more reliable.

From the people that brought you Truth Overboard

There is a very big difference between breaking a promise and telling a lie. Some people here have a big problem with it .... no surprises who.

 

[spudseamus]

Looks like Tony used notes in a debate with Julia! Same rules me thinks!

 

[Pushka]

From the people that brought you Truth Overboard

There is a very big difference between breaking a promise and telling a lie. Some people here have a big problem with it .... no surprises who.

Like I said. However you want to rationalise it.

 

[BadgerBoi]

When Uncle Arthur said "Never ever. It's dead. It was killed by voters at the last election." the only thing that was actually killed was Meg Lee's political career.

Now let's discuss the atrocious lies about Children Overboard.

 

[Skyring]

Looks like Tony used notes in a debate with Julia! Same rules me thinks!

You guess. These things change from election to election, debate to debate.

The point is that Sunday's rules specified no notes and Rudd clearly used notes. He claims he wasn't informed of this, which means two things:
1. Rudd didn't read the debate rules
2. Rudd's staff didn't communicate the rules to their leader. Or they didn't read them either.

A stuff-up that Abbott avoided.

 

[amaroo]

Looks like Tony used notes in a debate with Julia! Same rules me thinks!

I don't give a rats that Kev can't string two words together without reading some fly-in sepo's notes.

The worry is - he's simply hopeless at the job.

 

[amaroo]

Some of these are funny - really like Gollum

 

[Hvr]

Explains why Tony thinks he a good politician, he can pass a motion.

Now, I wonder who'll drive the taxi first?

Norway's prime minister worked secretly as a taxi driver in central Oslo for a day in June, leaving his passengers wondering whether their elected leader had quit his day job.

 

[Hvr]

I don't give a rats that Kev can't string two words together without reading some fly-in sepo's notes.

The worry is - he's simply hopeless at the job.

So reading a 'fly in sepo's (sic) notes' is bad whereas relying on a former Aussie, now dodgy sepo (sic) running the media to denigrate your opponent at the expense of real news is acceptable?

Oh and I think we have a very poor choice for PM this time around, they're both hopeless.

 

[TheRealTMA]

Explains why Tony thinks he a good politician, he can pass a motion.

Apologies in advance - before or after the suppository?