Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

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He is a goose. He runs the NBN puts in black box salesmen to run a $23b capex works program who have no idea of an appropriate risk reward matrix with industry and wonders why contractors won't take on an all risk limited return model!!

Yes - and now it looks like he has picked a fight with almost the entire media industry from Free to air TV all the way through to all the print media, in an election year no less.
 
Yes - and now it looks like he has picked a fight with almost the entire media industry from Free to air TV all the way through to all the print media, in an election year no less.

How has he picked a fight with the tv networks? He wants to remove the 75% audience restriction and extend the waiving of $134m in license fees!!
 
How has he picked a fight with the tv networks? He wants to remove the 75% audience restriction and extend the waiving of $134m in license fees!!

Yes FTA TV a bit of a mixed bag, licence fees reduction and stopping a 4th FTA Commercial TV network is great for FTA TV but bad news for Pay TV (hmm - I wonder why? :rolleyes: ) for them, but depending on who owns which network it will be interesting to see how the political interest tests on mergers and take-overs work if Stokes wants to buy more parts of Seven/Prime or if Lachlan Murdoch tries to own more of or buy Ten or Southern Cross regional. Don't forget that Gina Reinhart owns some of Ten and Fairfax so I suspect more of a mogul specific outcome that Conroy made a deal with the Greens about, that is not widely advertised or known about yet.
 
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NBN is going to be a worthwhile investment and its full effects will not be known for a while however Abbott has called it a "video entertainment system".

tony abbott nbn.jpg
 
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NBN is going to be a worthwhile investment and its full effects will not be known for a while however Abbott has called it a "video entertainment system".

How can you say its going to be a worthwhile investment and then say its full effects won't be known for a bit.... For $23 billion or $40 billion or however much its going to cost it better be a friggin amazing investment... And some close to similar capability wireless system or satellite system better not come out and trump it all...

Out of interst why did the Pay TV operators stop laying cable and move to a satellite based transmission system??? I'm sure people here will know...
 
I haven't kept the link but there were issued lists of banks that had requested and received funds.Will try and work out a more successful Google search.

And where is all the outcry re Julia's Xenophobia?Her 457 campaign is right out of the Pauline handbook.
 
I haven't kept the link but there were issued lists of banks that had requested and received funds.Will try and work out a more successful Google search.

You might be thinking of this:
FRB: Central Bank Liquidity Swap Lines

There's also links there to all of the Fed's liquidity support programs during the GFC and in most cases data about their use.

I can see the swap transactions with the RBA (which, as I posted above, were to fund competitive fully collateralised USD loans to Australian banks by the RBA) but I don't see any evidence in that data of cash bailouts to or equity acquisitions of Australian institutions by the Federal Reserve.
 
NBN is going to be a worthwhile investment and its full effects will not be known for a while however Abbott has called it a "video entertainment system".
What on earth are people going to use it for apart from downloading stuff and surfing the net? And don't tell me they are going to see a doctor online. "Right", says Dr Net, "First thing let's check your blood pressure." Ummmm.

For online hookups between hospitals, we don't need to connect every house in Australia to the grid. Just hospitals. That's common sense.

Tell me. what does the average Australian need superfast broadband for? Not the regular broadband, mind. But superduper stuff.
 
I agree. Had some US colleagues over to help run a training course recently. They couldn't believe how slow our so-called broadband was. You can argue about the best way to fix it but you can't argue that it is currently broken and is hampering productivity.

Depends which state they are from.......average household speeds for USA is not that much better than ours.
Net Index by Ookla - All Countries
 
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Yeah I know cable pay tv is more reliable, i have the satellite version and yes in a storm you can lose reception for a bit... but is $30-40 billion worth it just to make sure my pay tv or internet doesn't drop out for a few minutes every coupole of months?? I assume the Pay TV operators found a pretty good way to get their products out to people's houses without the ruinously expensive process of laying all that cable???

When i saw that picture about the ICC unit or whatever, i was going to comment something along the line of - of course they will put up some attention grabber like that, but how many people will really need their life saved liked that per year??? 3? 5? And why couldn't you use any number of ways we currently use for doing live crosses on tv or connecting hospitals up some other way?? I mean $30-40 billion is a LOT of money to spend, in terms of saving lives it could probably fund a host of things that would save more lives than just the hospital hook up initiative, you could probably fund a jet aircraft to fly doctors around if necessary... Its a nice idea, but does it really stand alone justify spending that much money...

I've heard buisness say it is necessary and such a productivity tool... I don't know what new sectors will benefit by it, i doubt we are suddenly going to replace silicon valley etc as a place of wold beating software and hardware design, digital creativity etc?? I imagine if so it will be more niche stuff while is there better ways of spending the $30-40 billion for inudsty support?? And yes businesses interent will be a bit quicker, their online payment and transactions will be a bit quicker... All this super fast teleconferencing could well do away with all this frequent flying, which i doubt the flyers will like all that much... but again, is there no other system that would give us a majority of these benefits for cheaper and could the businesses themselves invest in it rather than public money??

As for homes, yes i imagine the very large part of the benefits will be for people to download things more (and probably the usual load of stuff people download pron and tv series and movis etc), and whether that is worth the $30-40 billion or so i don't think i have really been sold either, at least in comparison to is there another system out using wirless or satellite etc that will deliver a good proportion of the capability with hopefully only a fraction of the cost...

I guess like proposals for a high speed train network down the east cost, while these things would be nice, are they the only solutions and are they desperately needed or nice to have? and will at the end of it in 5-10 years live up to its billing or be a whie elephant.. I wouldn't trust too much else of what the current mob have been attempting to do....
 
Moody moody moody, I know that todays script calls for arguments about about state issues (like health) but you are drawing a reallly long bow with your NBN "agitprop", as others have pointed out - where is the cost benefit analysis? And furthermore are you saying that teleconferencing/videoconferencing in a small number of specialized medical cases does not happen in other countries at all? I think not. I think it already happens in other countries with existing technology that was rolled out by the private sector without inducing a budget destroying state monopoly.

All those "high speed" internet countries also have high population densities in very small geographic areas so are totally inapplicabe/irrelevant to Australia, with a huge area and low population density. Also note that some of the fastest internet speeds in the world have not saved these Euorpean economies from being in the doldrums at the moment, so there goes the "cargo cult" mentality about economic performance being greatly assisted by people sitting at home downloading episodes of Game of Thrones.

About the closest you will get to Australia is looking at Canada, and surprise, surprise, Canada has reasonably fast and cheap broadband rolled out by the private sector in stages with a mix of technologies from Satellite to wireless to FTTN before they start trials of FTTH. Pretty much what a lot of countries have done. Other countries have worked their way out of historical/competition issues and large network owner incumbents (i.e. Telstra) without instituting a brand new large inefficient tax-payer funded monopoly.....

You can go back to making unfair assertions about people 457 Visas now if you want. But you are above that aren't you. :)
 
Re Satellite ...

In June last year we relocated, still in suburban Melbourne. We had cable based pay TV. The new place had cable wired in the street, but FOXTEL refused to connect the cable. I pushed this as I preferred cable, but was basically told "They no longer do new cable installations" - ie, satellite or bust!
 
Re Satellite ...

In June last year we relocated, still in suburban Melbourne. We had cable based pay TV. The new place had cable wired in the street, but FOXTEL refused to connect the cable. I pushed this as I preferred cable, but was basically told "They no longer do new cable installations" - ie, satellite or bust!

Thats actually because the current policy is to re-imburse Telstra and Optus with taxpayer funds to rip up and or abandon the HFC cable. Which is awesome for Telstra shareholders but not so good for consumers, taxpayers and future usefulness of the HFC network.

Its the equivalent of setting up Conroy Airlines and using taxpayer money to shut down VA and QF. Whom would like that?
 
And where is all the outcry re Julia's Xenophobia?Her 457 campaign is right out of the Pauline handbook.
Such an outcry was obviously not "in the public interest" and has been duly dealt with by the Media Public Interest Advocate??? (wish there was a smiley-thing for sarcasm but I find this proposed legislation even more frightening than Roxon's anti-insult laws - all straight out of Animal Farm!)
In regard to your topic, it is very difficult to see what the overall plan of this government is - on the one hand they scrap legislation that was clearly working, in order to create a huge problem with illegal immigrants (interesting graph to illustrate: Illegal boat arrivals, what it really costs) costing the country $2.2b this year, while on the other hand start a scare campaign against those who would come to Australia with useful skills to offer, using the existing, legal mechanisms to gain entry. Plan? What plan?
Distract, Deflect and Mis-inform is the only plan it seems.
 
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