PED's on/off during various flight stages - Why?

[Jarrodbooth]

Re: Approaches for dealing with 'electronic devices off'

Regardless of any danger, you need to consider the power dynamic that exists in an aircraft.

The whole experience is tuned for making passengers sit quietly and obey orders from crew. The majority of a flight is pretty boring, and people need to have something to keep themselves busy, but when taking off and landing its important that crew enforce this power structure.

If electronic devices are deemed 100% safe and legal, and all airlines simultaneously change their policies, then maybe it will be okay. However, I don't see that happening in a neat way; some devices are no danger while others may be, some airlines will continue to be draconian and others will be more liberal... It undermines the authority of airline crew if they are sometimes allowed and sometimes not.

 

[haggiscat]

Re: Approaches for dealing with 'electronic devices off'

like flying, i text for fun, every flight being an adventure I have to tell someone about. so it's important to have the lines open until the last available moment

 

[SeatBackForward]

Re: Approaches for dealing with 'electronic devices off'

like flying, i text for fun, every flight being an adventure I have to tell someone about. so it's important to have the lines open until the last available moment

The issue is not about being fun or not, its about obeying the instructions. If you admit to using your phone beyond being asked to turn it off, thats clearly violating the instructions.

 

[ashleyn]

Re: Approaches for dealing with 'electronic devices off'

like flying, i text for fun, every flight being an adventure I have to tell someone about. so it's important to have the lines open until the last available moment

Do you text whilst driving too ?

 

[pat25d]

Re: Approaches for dealing with 'electronic devices off'

Do you text whilst driving too ?

Plenty of people do, there was a recent survey saying 60-80% i think.

 

[mannej]

Re: Approaches for dealing with 'electronic devices off'

Plenty of people do, there was a recent survey saying 60-80% i think.

And that survey was?

 

[pat25d]

Re: Approaches for dealing with 'electronic devices off'

Distracted drivers text and take photos according to NRMA survey

 

[nlagalle]

Re: Approaches for dealing with 'electronic devices off'

Plenty of people do, there was a recent survey saying 60-80% i think.

So does that make it ok???

 

[JessicaTam]

Like a few others, surprised at the balance of reactions on this thread, on some flights it feels like silent=off.

I only learnt how to turn my ipad OFF from a FA, before that I didn't realise stand by was not off. I know people will think that sounds ridiculous but what other reason is there for turning an ipad off off.

This is way OT, but it is a good idea to turn your idevice off every now and then. It clears out any programs that may still be running in the background, and will also clear out the memory so it can start fresh on start-up.


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Why, because iCan.

 

[rechoboam]

I was prompted by a VA flight attendant to turn my Kindle off the first time I flew with it. As stupid as it sounds, I simply forgot it as an electronic device - I was slightly embarrassed about having to be prompted!

If you need to 'turn off' a kindle I guess you need to remove the batteries from your hearing aid as well.

 

[Fruitcake]

Re: Approaches for dealing with 'electronic devices off'

If you need to 'turn off' a kindle I guess you need to remove the batteries from your hearing aid as well.

If I had hearing aids that contained 3G and wifi radios then yes, I probably would remove the batteries - and I wouldn't be waiting until I boarded an aircraft to do so .

 

[rechoboam]

If I had hearing aids that contained 3G and wifi radios then yes, I probably would remove the batteries - and I wouldn't be waiting until I boarded an aircraft to do so .

Yes, ouch...
Obviously i dont have connectivity on my Kindle in flight..

 

[eosphoros]

Re: Approaches for dealing with 'electronic devices off'

This discussion of a device being completely off is absolutely ridiculous. I leave mine iPhone on flight mode and standby. No, I do not play with it, and I do not listen to music with it (until the seatbelt sign is switched off). It is absolutely ridiculous to think that a consumer mobile phone, even when not in flight mode, will cause an aircraft to fall out of the sky. They are a distraction, yes; the plane will not fall out of the sky.

Moreover, this extends further than just phones. I usually have my macbook air on board and since the time that I have purchased it, I have not a once turned it completely off. It is always in standby. I close the lid, end of story. I doubt that many of the laptops on board (especially macbooks and newer ultrabooks which go into standby when the lid is closed) actually get turned off.

Also, when I am carrying my kindle, while I do turn off 3G and WiFi, I still, to this day, do not know how to power it completely off. As such, it is left in its standby mode.

While I do get annoyed when people are using (read: being distracted) by their devices during take-off, taxi, and landing, I have never felt the urge to call them up on it, notify an FA, let alone take it into my own hands. As many have said in here, if it were really that big of a hazard, no electronic devices would be allowed on board! There seems to be way too much hysteria on this topic.

What is much more annoying, and dangerous, is when pax decide to get up out of their seats before docking at the gate. But if they want to fly forward at 60kmph if the aircraft has to emergency brake, then that's their decision.

 

[mannej]

I find the attitude above annoying. How hard is it to completely turn your phone or laptop off?

You can not prove that a phone has never caused a plane to crash. Yes there has been an accident where links to mobile phone interference has been drawn.

Again, how hard is it to turn it off completely?

 

[eosphoros]

Re: Approaches for dealing with 'electronic devices off'

I find the attitude above annoying. How hard is it to completely turn your phone or laptop off?

You can not prove that a phone has never caused a plane to crash. Yes there has been an accident where links to mobile phone interference has been drawn.

Again, how hard is it to turn it off completely?

Not very, but when you have multiple devices it is extremely annoying and time consuming. That, however, is beside the point. It doesn't matter how hard the task is, it matters whether there is a purpose to it. I find the attitude of following all instructions from authority without question annoying. There has to be a reason for something to exist, or for something to happen. If there is no reason, then why, must I ask, should it exist? And further, why should I do it? Indeed the argument of appealing to authority is extremely troubling to me.

If there has been an accident where there was a link to mobile phone interference (in flight mode), I would be glad if you can direct me to where I can find the report so I can read it and make conclusions for myself. If it is true, then I am happy to turn off my devices in the future.

 

[dajop]

Re: Approaches for dealing with 'electronic devices off'

How hard is it to completely turn your phone or laptop off?

I'll stay away from the handheld device debate - it is very easy to turn these devices off and turn them back on again. For laptops - very easy to turn off. But it's not the turning off that is the problem, it's the 15-20 minutes to turn the laptop back on again (thank you Mr Gates et al). By observation I am guessing most people only put their laptops in standby (particularly those operating on Windows).

 

[JohnK]

Re: Approaches for dealing with 'electronic devices off'

I don't understand why people want to do whatever they feel like? And I find it even more puzzling that some people cannot sit still for 5 minutes without a gadget.

It is very simple and it will not kill you. I managed to pass the entire flight from BKK-SYD with just listening to radio on board. No movies. No gadgets. Why? Because I want to be in control. I don't want gadgets to control me.

 

[rechoboam]

I don't understand why people want to do whatever they feel like? And I find it even more puzzling that some people cannot sit still for 5 minutes without a gadget.

It is very simple and it will not kill you. I managed to pass the entire flight from BKK-SYD with just listening to radio on board. No movies. No gadgets. Why? Because I want to be in control. I don't want gadgets to control me.

I agree with you.
Actually I disagree but my iPhone autocorrected me.

 

[Katie]

Re: Approaches for dealing with 'electronic devices off'

Also, when I am carrying my kindle, while I do turn off 3G and WiFi, I still, to this day, do not know how to power it completely off. As such, it is left in its standby mode.

AFAIK, to turn off a Kindle, hold the power button/slider for 5-10 secs until the screen goes off. That's how I turn off my Kindle.

 

[freepyjamas]

Re: Approaches for dealing with 'electronic devices off'

AFAIK, to turn off a Kindle, hold the power button/slider for 5-10 secs until the screen goes off. That's how I turn off my Kindle.

5 to 10 seconds! But what if you're too busy and important to have 5 seconds to spare?