Predictions of when international flights may resume/bans lifted

[dajop]

For most Australians wanting to visit family abroad, it doesn't have to be hotel quarantine or no quarantine - we have homes here (well, except me, but I'm sure I could sort something out). Why not start with the baby steps of quarantining at home?

My point was they could do a study first to assess the risk. If all well then allow vaccinated residents to leave and return with testing or some form of limited home quarantine. But in the next few months could set up a study to understand the risk and give confidence in relaxed restrictions associated with vaccinations.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

My point was they could do a study first to assess the risk. If all well then allow vaccinated residents to leave and return with testing or some form of limited home quarantine. But in the next few months could set up a study to understand the risk and give confidence in relaxed restrictions associated with vaccinations.

Which is what we just did... we sent our vaccinated PM on a trip to the UK, visiting friends, the pub, and 'the boss'. Let's give it 14 days and if he's ok, borders can open!

 

[clifford]

I just wonder in similar cases how many people are dependent on finances from the Government and do they understand the billions of dollars pumped into the Australian economy from tourism and university students from overseas.

Perhaps the Govt should adopt a different model (heaven forbid), rather than pander to the mining and farming lobbies.

Other countries (with far less resources) do.

Yes, I know, it's a utopian dream...

 

[ethernet]

Which is what we just did... we sent our vaccinated PM on a trip to the UK, visiting friends, the pub, and 'the boss'. Let's give it 14 days and if he's ok, borders can open!

One rule for me, other rules for others. I get it.
As fully vaccinated people are very low risk, a definition for acceptable home quarantine needs defining now. I think Dr's and Policemen / those with clearances are more trustworthy than others.

 

[roogirl]

Reading in The Age this morning that Dan Tehan is “in no rush” to open borders and the PM quoted in the Australian as saying they will watch variants for 6 months and then make a decision about what to do. This thing ain’t opening up any time soon. Not even on the radar.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

One rule for me, other rules for others. I get it.
As fully vaccinated people are very low risk, a definition for acceptable home quarantine needs defining now. I think Dr's and Policemen / those with clearances are more trustworthy than others.

Difficult one that one! IIRC it was a doctor in Toorak who went to work right at the start of the pandemic, despite having symptoms. We have nurses working across multiple facilities... even one working on a covid ward one day, and a regular ward the next And there are IBAC (or similar) investigations going on across all levels of government and police. I'm not sure any one category of worker is 'more trustworthy' than another?

Dunno what the solution is, but one or two breaking the rules could have an impact on everyone. Or maybe not? If the vaccines work as they should and people don't get sick it shouldn't matter.

 

[drron]

There are a lot of health care workers that have tested positive for covid in Australia.A report from back in August 2020 -14% of cases in Victoria were healthcare workers.

newsGP - Why are so many Victorian healthcare workers contracting COVID-19?

The state’s Chief Health Officer now concedes the majority of these infections are acquired at work, but that leaves one question: How is the virus getting through PPE?

www1.racgp.org.au

Let's not forget Tasmania where 20% of the healthcare workers who tested positive in the NWRH outbreak turned up for work when symptomatic including at least 1 doctor.The 73 healthcare workers infected in that outbreak are exactly one third of Tasmania's total of 219 cases.

Tasmania coronavirus outbreak traced to two Ruby Princess passengers

Infections then spread between staff and patients, as some healthcare workers worked six shifts while symptomatic

www.theguardian.com

But it was world wide.

COVID-19 How many Healthcare workers are infected? | The Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine

www.cebm.net

Then when it comes to flu vaccinations many years it is health care workers that have the lowest rate of vaccinations in many countries but they do well in USA with physicians coming out top in 19/20 season with 98%.

Influenza Vaccination Information for Health Care Workers | CDC

Influenza Vaccination Information for Health Care Workers - CDC

www.cdc.gov

But this from Ireland.
In 2017/2018
There was an increase in flu vaccine uptake both in hospital staff (31.6% compared to 22.5% in
2015/2016) and in long term care facility (LTCF) staff (-29.8% compared to 26.6% in 2015/2016).
The highest uptake was in medical and dental staff and the lowest uptake in nursing staff.

https://www.hse.ie/eng/health/immunisation/pubinfo/flu-vaccination/healthcare-workers/why-flu-vaccination-is-important-for-health-care-workers.pdf

 

[serfty]

And 66% dont. The demographics (ie voting power) of both groups is more important than a number.

.... and from the same survey 55% half want no change or cuts:

The exclusive survey, conducted for The Sydney Morning Herald and The Age by research company Resolve Strategic, shows 36 per cent of respondents want the number of arrivals to be cut and another 19 per cent want it to stay the same.

 

[Pushka]

.... and from the same survey 55% half want no change or cuts:

Ask a question in a particular fashion to get the answer you want.

 

[Flashback]

And who gives a damn anyway, it's all baloney.

 

[Pushka]

And who gives a damn anyway, it's all baloney.

Unfortunately it feeds those who don't want change from what we are currently doing and confirms their beliefs.

 

[serfty]

Ask a question in a particular fashion to get the answer you want.

And who gives a damn anyway, it's all baloney.

Maybe look at the question?

The question can be reasonable but reporting can be done to portray the results with a particular bent.

The headline said "One-Third of Voters Back Cuts", so @Pushka put up the implication that 66% didn't.

I looked closer, adding 19% to 36% to get 55%.

The headline could have been "One-Third of Voters Back Building More Qarantine Camp Places" - but I guess the writer did not want it portrayed in that manner.

Here's the actual Question and options available:

 

[Pushka]

Maybe look at the question?

The question can be reasonable but reporting can be done to portray the results with a particular bent.

The headline said "One-Third of Voters Back Cuts", so @Pushka put up the implication that 66% didn't.

I looked closer, adding 19% to 36% to get 55%.

The headline could have been "One-Third of Voters Back Building More Qarantine Camp Places" - but I guess the writer did not want it portrayed in that manner.

Here's the actual Question and options available:

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If you are undecided at this point, that suggests to me that you are fine with status quo so I'm still fine with 66% stating they don't want a reduction.

 

[serfty]

If you are undecided at this point, that suggests to me that you are fine with status quo so I'm still fine with 66% stating they don't want a reduction.

I think you have missed my whole point.

That is, when you see a headline citing some statistics, don't assume the author has your best interests at heart. Dig deeper and you may find that headline implying 66% really.means.nothing.

Personally I am with the 37% who want quarantine capacity increased.

 

[Pushka]

I think you have missed my whole point.

That is, when you see a headline citing some statistics, don't assume the author has your best interests at heart. Did deeper and you may find that 64% really.means nothing.

Personally I am with the 37% who want quarantine capacity increased.

. The last thing in the minds of the media is protecting the public and reassuring them.

 

[dajop]

. The last thing in the minds of the media is protecting the public and reassuring them.

My favourite (not!) is to scroll through 3-4 headlines portraying doom and gloom (particularly over-dramatising the effects of a lockdown) and next article is all about negative effects on people’s mental health. Cause and effect perhaps? I’m not surprised that there are so many mental health concerns with so much absolute negativity in the media.

 

[Pushka]

My favourite (not!) is to scroll through 3-4 headlines portraying doom and gloom (particularly over-dramatising the effects of a lockdown) and next article is all about negative effects on people’s mental health. Cause and effect perhaps? I’m not surprised that there are so many mental health concerns with so much absolute negativity in the media.

Relatively off topic.

A few years ago it was all over the media how this magic potion removed cellulite, the bane of women. So of course, everyone rushed to get it and it was sold out and on back order.

Of course it was a dud. And the next series of articles was how women were duped by this product. The only reason we knew of this product was because of the media storm.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

I think you have missed my whole point.

That is, when you see a headline citing some statistics, don't assume the author has your best interests at heart. Dig deeper and you may find that headline implying 66% really.means.nothing.

Personally I am with the 37% who want quarantine capacity increased.

And despite this poll it was close to 100% condemnation of the government for temporarily banning flights from India. So how do 36% 'support cuts' yet 100% get outraged when the cuts are made?

 

[Flashback]

Relatively off topic.

A few years ago it was all over the media how this magic potion removed cellulite, the bane of women. So of course, everyone rushed to get it and it was sold out and on back order.

Of course it was a dud. And the next series of articles was how women were duped by this product. The only reason we knew of this product was because of the media storm.

Also, this one time, people believed that the UK would be open and free if we left the EU. Well.........

 

[Pushka]

Also, this one time, people believed that the UK would be open and free if we left the EU. Well.........

Well, I think because of Brexit the UK was able to get the vaccination done very efficiently.