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[Evan]

I am very interested to see how they price out from LHR/SIN etc, from AU they are not cheap but then again neither is discount Y.

Lets hope we find out soon and also hope BA dont increase WT+ prices or sop the service since it provides some alternatives for us that cant afford J for personal travel but also prefer a little more comfort.

E

 

[NM]

Given the QF load factor between Aus and SIN at the moment, I expect they can charge quite a price premium and still sell all they have. I was looking for D or Y/B availability SIN-BNE via anywhere QF or BA flies for mid December (a month in advance) and there hardly a seat to be sold for the week surrounding the date I need to travel.

So QF is going to want to ensure their overall revenue with Y+ in the mix is better than they have now. So they will be aiming to earn more revenue from 32 Y+ seats than from the 60 Y seats they replace.

So if they have 60 less Y seats for sale, that means they will either make less seats available for the most heavily discounted fares, or they will miss out on selling some of the more expensive flexible fares because they have sold out the cabin. So I expect the end result will be that the really cheap fares are harder to find on these routes, with QF willing to let those sales go to other carriers like EK or even JQ.

And I expect they plan to set the Y+ price at a mark that is above the average Y price sold presently.

 

[v8Statesman]

Given the QF load factor between Aus and SIN at the moment, I expect they can charge quite a price premium .....

Thanks NM. But this is not the information I wanted to hear (although it maybe the truth.) I do all my PER-SIN-PER as SIN-PER-SIN due to it being around 1/2 the price. (When you factor in that the cheapest ex SIN fare is upgradable and the cheapest ex PER fare is not.).

As I am in BNE a lot. With careful planning on my part I could take advantage of a SIN-SYD-SIN in Y+. To that end, I was hoping to see the fares ex SIN sitting at around .5 of the Ex AUS counterpart.

 

[Keith009]

I was looking up expertflyer and so far the cheapest fare from Europe seems to be ex-Germany at GBP1410. ex-UK was about 400 quid more.

Then again you can get a D fare ex-ARN for GBP2333

 

[Dave Noble]

Then again you can get a D fare ex-ARN for GBP2333

You can get an I fare ex ARN on AY for GBP2000 plus tax and fines or C ex MLA on EK for GBP2100 inc tax

Dave

 

[ANstar]

And the new upgrade points table has been loaded

Frequent Flyer - Using Points - Flight Upgrades

 

[simongr]

Not exactly a user friendly table - but it seems that PE is being treated as Y for the purposes of upgrades - do there seem to be other changes?

 

[ANstar]

I posted this on FT

Points required to upgrade has now been loaded on the QF site.

Premium Y to J is bascially the full Y upgrade points charge.

Using my SIN example

Y-Y+ would be 25k points

Y+ to J would be 25k Points

But Y-J would still be 40k points


so the Y - J is the same amount as previously.

I have no idea about the full Y to J though

 

[v8Statesman]

Thank god they have left Disc Y -> J alone!

 

[NM]

And the new upgrade points table has been loaded

Frequent Flyer - Using Points - Flight Upgrades

Hmm, Full Y to Business and Y+ to Business cost the same points.

 

[v8Statesman]

Hmm, Full Y to Business and Y+ to Business cost the same points.

Value for points there!

I would think that Full Y - Y+ should = (Full Y -J points) - (Y+ - J Points).

Or 0 points

 

[NM]

Value for points there!

I would think that Full Y - Y+ should = (Full Y -J points) - (Y+ - J Points).

Or 0 points

Are you an accountant

 

[v8Statesman]

Are you an accountant

NO. I am in IT. (Just as bad sometimes I think)

 

[JohnK]

The points required for upgrades look to be confusing!

using an example of SYD-BKK

Y - Y+ would be 25,000 FF points

Y+ - J would be 25,000 FF points

Y - J would be 40,000 FF points (unchanged)

The Y+ airfare is more than double the discount economy airfare yet this is not reflected in the number of FF points required for the upgrade.

Am I correct in thinking that the cost of an award seat SYD-BKK in J is only 60,000 FF points? If that is the case there does not appear to be great value in using FF points for upgrade....

 

[NM]

NO. I am in IT. (Just as bad sometimes I think)

Ahh, that explains it

 

[NM]

The Y+ airfare is more than double the discount economy airfare yet this is not reflected in the number of FF points required for the upgrade.

There can be 100% or more variation in Discount Y fares, or in J/D/I fares, so the variation in fare costs for Y-Y+ is not unique.

 

[Shano]

UG to J from disc. Y for SYD-BKK now (and was) 40,000 points

UG to J from full Y (or Y+) is 25,000 points (full Y unchanged)

So even though Y+ may be more than 2x disc. Y, slightly less than 50% less points required for the UG.

Also surprised that the Y+ to J UG not offered at a slight discount to full Y to J.

 

[serfty]

It makes sense to me, AFAIK, very few PAX travel internationally on Full WHY - in reality the cost for BA Y+ has generally been in the same ball park or cheaper than that for full WHY. Once Qantas' Y+ beds in I don't expect it to be much different (if at all).

 

[JohnK]

....in reality the cost for BA Y+ has generally been in the same ball park or cheaper than that for full WHY. Once Qantas' Y+ beds in I don't expect it to be much different (if at all).

Oh please say that it isn't so.

I have just purchased a return BKK-SYD in WT+ for ~A$1370 for travel in peak Australian travel season(s). I was also quoted a return BKK-SYD in J on BA for ~A$2650 for the same travel dates. I would hate to think that just because QF decides to put in Y+ on this route that the price of the airfare for BA will increase to ~A$2580 for WT+!

Makes absolutely no sense to me. But then paying ~$2200 for return BKK-SYD in JQ Starclass when you can pay ~$2650 for return BKK-SYD in BA business class makes no sense to me either. There are people who think that JQ Starclass is a good deal. Not!

 

[serfty]

Oh please say that it isn't so.

I have just purchased a return BKK-SYD in WT+ for ~A$1370 for travel in peak Australian travel season(s). I was also quoted a return BKK-SYD in J on BA for ~A$2650 for the same travel dates. I would hate to think that just because QF decides to put in Y+ on this route that the price of the airfare for BA will increase to ~A$2580 for WT+!

Makes absolutely no sense to me. But then paying ~$2200 for return BKK-SYD in JQ Starclass when you can pay ~$2650 for return BKK-SYD in BA business class makes no sense to me either. There are people who think that JQ Starclass is a good deal. Not!

Enjoy it while it lasts - such discounting indicates BA are having trouble filling J & WT+ on BA9/BA10 between SYD/BKK.

It's a tad more expensive for non SYD residents and those who wish to go to SE Asian locations other than BKK.

More to the point, once QF Y+ is ensconced it may be the end of antipodean BA flights.

On another matter, I have a regular need to travel between MEL/BNE/SYD and the $240 StarClass flights interest me greatly. If I can factor them in it gives Flounge access in MEL & SYD ( & BNE I guess) and 40SC's.