Qantas 2016 Half Year results

[katiebell]

Qantas don't have an F lounge there anyway, it's BA's. So if you don't like the new Qantas lounge just head to the BA one or CX.

This is exactly my point: glad to see you got it. QF are promoting a new lounge (not a replacement lounge). Those who prefer a Flounge will just avoid it and continue using another OW Flounge which decreases the value of building a QF lounge

 

[amaroo]

A new QF lounge will be a massive improvement on the BA F dump, IMO

 

[cove]

An analyst feels that Qantas shares are worth 8 bucks and change which is a long way up from 96 cents. Fuel prices have been helpful.

 

[nlagalle]

This is exactly my point: glad to see you got it. QF are promoting a new lounge (not a replacement lounge). Those who prefer a Flounge will just avoid it and continue using another OW Flounge which decreases the value of building a QF lounge

And again how is it a "devaluation" of WP? Should QF have F lounges in all their ports? Given the bulk of flyers aren't WP, having a Qantas lounge makes more sense economically than adding in an F lounge. there is no "loss to a WP" they can still choose where they want to sit around.

 

[TheInsider]

If QF leave OW a lot of FF will leave QF as a result of the lack of reciprocity for OWE & OWS

In what way? Examples?

A lot of people don't care about oneworld and only travel domestically, a lot wouldn't even know what it entitles them to or where to use those benefits.

 

[TomVexille]

In what way? Examples?

A lot of people don't care about oneworld and only travel domestically, a lot wouldn't even know what it entitles them to or where to use those benefits.

It is a big advantage over VA for many global travellers however.

 

[RooFlyer]

In what way? Examples?

A lot of people don't care about oneworld, a lot wouldn't even know what it entitles them to or where to use those benefits.

Sure a lot of people don't care or know about OneWorld etc etc. They probably number in the billions. But a lot do. I value OW benefits such as using the LA lounge in SCL, Admirals Clubs in the US.

Qantas is, relatively, an expensive airline with a limited network. If they didn't offer me reciprocal benefits when flying OW around the world, then I may as well choose either the cheaper alternative or an airline with an decent network ex Australia.

 

[TheRealTMA]

An analyst feels that Qantas shares are worth 8 bucks and change which is a long way up from 96 cents. Fuel prices have been helpful.

I suggest he's been casting the runes and reading entrails!

 

[katiebell]

And again how is it a "devaluation" of WP? Should QF have F lounges in all their ports? Given the bulk of flyers aren't WP, having a Qantas lounge makes more sense economically than adding in an F lounge. there is no "loss to a WP" they can still choose where they want to sit around.

QF promote WP benefits as including access to Flounges: this is only possible if Flounges exist. If there are none it is a loss of WP benefits. There used to to be Flounges at several ports where there are now only std lounges: the trend is a loss of WP benefits (& no need to tell me that QF do not currently have a FLounge at LHR I know that and that they have not had their own lounge there for at least 20yrs but always ensured that the lounges they chose to use included Flounge)

 

[katiebell]

Sure a lot of people don't care or know about OneWorld etc etc. They probably number in the billions. But a lot do. I value OW benefits such as using the LA lounge in SCL, Admirals Clubs in the US.

Qantas is, relatively, an expensive airline with a limited network. If they didn't offer me reciprocal benefits when flying OW around the world, then I may as well choose either the cheaper alternative or an airline with an decent network ex Australia.

I agree completely: it is the OW benefits that make a difference to me more than most things when I fly

 

[TomVexille]

QF promote WP benefits as including access to Flounges: this is only possible if Flounges exist. If there are none it is a loss of WP benefits. There used to to be Flounges at several ports where there are now only std lounges: the trend is a loss of WP benefits (& no need to tell me that QF do not currently have a FLounge at LHR I know that and that they have not had their own lounge there for at least 20yrs but always ensured that the lounges they chose to use included Flounge)

Now I'm just scum (gold), so I can't say what a WP would feel, but the problem with that is that WPs lose nothing. There is still the same access to the available F lounges. QP, SG and WP all gain something. WP probably gains the least, but doesn't actually lose anything based on the current situation.

 

[JohnK]

I'm not sure the LHR QP is such good news. As a WP travelling in J I quite like access to the higher level of service and facilities in a Flounge that do not exist in a combined lounge (& from the AUSBT article will only apply to P1, F & CL). Yet another erosion of WP status benefits. If the LHR QP is that big and on 2 floors why not make one a flounge and really have a flagship QP? Yet another example of QF/AJ not understanding what high status pax value and want and not meeting the expectations created by QF in promoting WP

The other Flounges in T3 may well be more attractive than a combined QP.

I am sure there are a few different thought patterns but it makes no sense for Qantas to have First Lounges outside Australia. That should be the responsibility of the local Oneworld airline at that hub.

For now Qantas Platinum has access to First lounges as it is Oneworld Emerald. Take note Oneworld Sapphire cannot access First lounges unless flying First.

 

[Chrizztofa]

I am sure there are a few different thought patterns but it makes no sense for Qantas to have First Lounges outside Australia. That should be the responsibility of the local Oneworld airline at that hub.

For now Qantas Platinum has access to First lounges as it is Oneworld Emerald. Take note Oneworld Sapphire cannot access First lounges unless flying First.

Agree - except maybe LAX given QF's large operations there. The first lounges at BNE (closing) and AKL are odd-balls in that respect.

I'm not sure how important it is to have a completely separate F section for, at best, 28 F passengers a day (plus Emeralds). The new QF international lounges at SIN and HKG have been very well received so hopefully the experience at LHR will also be as good. In any case, Emeralds have the option of the BA Galleries First (although I do not know how good that is).

 

[katiebell]

I am sure there are a few different thought patterns but it makes no sense for Qantas to have First Lounges outside Australia. That should be the responsibility of the local Oneworld airline at that hub.

Most airports are not OW hubs and do not have a local OW airline

 

[katiebell]

Agree - except maybe LAX given QF's large operations there. The first lounges at BNE (closing) and AKL are odd-balls in that respect.

I'm not sure how important it is to have a completely separate F section for, at best, 28 F passengers a day (plus Emeralds). The new QF international lounges at SIN and HKG have been very well received so hopefully the experience at LHR will also be as good. In any case, Emeralds have the option of the BA Galleries First (although I do not know how good that is).

MEL Flounge has far more than 14 pax late evening before QF09 departs (& the Flounge closes) so a lot of WP in J & elsewhere appreciate the Flounge and see it as a benefit

 

[TomVexille]

Most airports are not OW hubs and do not have a local OW airline

But LHR is a OW hub for BA

MEL Flounge has far more than 14 pax late evening before QF09 departs (& the Flounge closes) so a lot of WP in J & elsewhere appreciate the Flounge and see it as a benefit

And that's the home port airline providing an F lounge which the other OW airlines also use.

 

[nlagalle]

QF promote WP benefits as including access to Flounges: this is only possible if Flounges exist.

Yes and there are still F lounges you can visit in LHR - nothing has changed

If there are none it is a loss of WP benefits. There used to to be Flounges at several ports where there are now only std lounges: the trend is a loss of WP benefits (& no need to tell me that QF do not currently have a FLounge at LHR I know that and that they have not had their own lounge there for at least 20yrs but always ensured that the lounges they chose to use included Flounge)

That would be true in LHR if they removed all F lounges. but they haven't so there is no loss of benefits. Given the changes in airline costs, it makes zero sense to have F lounges around the world to keep a tiny minority of people like you happy that they can bask in an F lounge wherever they go. Fact of the matter is it makes zero sense to have the additional cost for this. They are better off having them in major hubs.

you are getting your knickers all tied up for no reason at all. you can still visit the BA or CX F lounge in LHR. I have no issue with QF building a single lounge in LHR given they only have 2 flights per day there atm. if they had more then I suspect the numbers might add up to have one but clearly they don't.. and yes I am a WP so it does "affect" me as such but honestly i don't really care if the new lounge is up to scratch. I really like the new HKG and SIN lounges. i don't care that they don't have an F area segregated by electrified fencing to keep the masses out.