Qantas A380 reliability issues creeping up again?

[RichardMEL]

This is OT but...

Exactly, there is too much competition in Australia's international aviation market. Foreign carriers account for 75% of inbound and outbound flights, and that's not ideal for Australia and its sovereignty. It's not in the national interest. It's time the government wound back this extreme capacity dumping disguising itself as 'competition'.

uh wow.

No. Competition is good. The extra capacity drives down prices and gives options.

plus, and here's the really important part, Australian carriers simply do not have the capacity or capability to serve all the destinations folks want - and certainly not do it in an economically viable way (eg you could give QF/JQ/VA all the fleets of say QR/SQ and UA and give them 80% of the capacity in and out of Oz and it woukd be a financial black hole extremely hypothetical example sure, but trying to make a point.

Sure, Australian Carriers would love bigger share of the pie, but they can't- market share has dropped due to extra capacity from other carriers who provide it to meet demand.
eeook at the uproar when extra capacity to QR was denied.

The punters want access to all these markets and cheaper prices. Most of the carriers are responding to demand and not dumping.

i would accept that UA's huge capacity increase to South Pacific routes (mostly a need to place shells away from China) could be considered dumping to an extent, but theyve had to respond to that and adjust based on demand and lower yields (eg BNE). Ecen then, that has resulted in lower fares (at least in Y) for travel on US routes

yes, clearly some policies via the IASCiare designed to provide some protections for Oz carriers which I understand, though personally I reckon market forces should decide as much as possible but realise carriers with higher costs will struggle...

Anyway, putting MORE restrictions on foreign capacity may be something our carriers would love, but it would only push up prices and reduce options for both outbound and inbound traffic. Nit a great idea imo.

 

[tdimdad]

Exactly, there is too much competition in Australia's international aviation market. Foreign carriers account for 75% of inbound and outbound flights, and that's not ideal for Australia and its sovereignty. It's not in the national interest. It's time the government wound back this extreme capacity dumping disguising itself as 'competition'.

[/We are wildly off-topic but I'll add this and then move back to A380's in this thread]

What actually is "too much" competition? When does that happen?

What if the 'national interest' test was about what happens if all overseas carriers one day stopped flying to Australia. Zero flights. The key question revolves around what will be the necessary movement in/out Australia in terms of freight & people. Passenger-wise, I'd offer that we need capacity to fly certain officials, military and law enforcement, medical staff and emergency response teams, and infrastructure build & maintenance crews. In essence, we can talking about the security of supply arrangements. The same logic with goods transport.
--> Does the current domestic capacity across all operators allow us to do that? If yes, then the national interest has been met and we can allow the surplus demand to be supplied by whoever wants and can do it with reasonable terms.

BTW, it's hard to imagine a well-connected country with >50% of it's international connections provided by domestic operators. Perhaps there are many but thinking of US, UK, Germany, Japan, HK, SG, etc, they all are serviced by a rich network of foreign operators in addition to their local airlines.

[Back to 63A on an A380 with me now]

 

[AIRwin]

[/We are wildly off-topic but I'll add this and then move back to A380's in this thread]

There is also a "competing" thread:

Is it time for the ACCC to lose its power to veto international JVs?

Over the past five years, Qantas has lost the opportunity/ability to collaborate deeper with Cathay Pacific (ACCC rejected in 2019), Japan Airlines (ACCC rejected in 2021) and China Eastern (ACCC rejected in 2023) due to the actions of the ACCC. They have also expressed their concerns at the...

www.australianfrequentflyer.com.au

 

[Ansett Nostalgic]

Foreign carriers are a saving grace for the Australian market.

 

[FlyingKangaroo]

Bringing this back on topic (though I thoroughly enjoyed the Monday lunchtime read): the 380s appear to be doing better the last week than they were earlier this month and finding some relative stability, but the challenge remains that it seems to come down to luck.

I have an unprotected connection before QF 12 in a few months, but that's a lot more comforting than it being an unprotected connection after QF 11. As long as that apprehension persists, and the more people start factoring the poor reliability into their decisions, the higher the risk this starts having a real effect on QF's loads.

That I chose the AA-operated over-water flights over QF when booking for my parents a few weeks ago despite having the option of either speaks for itself. In the past, I would have paid a premium not to fly the AA codeshare. (And fine perhaps for QF in a joint venture situation where revenue is shared; not so fine where that's not in place or a non-partner carrier altogether is the alternative.)

 

[Jousams]

Exactly, there is too much competition in Australia's international aviation market. Foreign carriers account for 75% of inbound and outbound flights, and that's not ideal for Australia and its sovereignty. It's not in the national interest. It's time the government wound back this extreme capacity dumping disguising itself as 'competition'.

been a member on AFF for almost 15 years. I normally try to be respectful and easygoing, however this comment easily takes the cake as the dumbest thing I have ever read on AFF.

 

[drron]

With apologies to Westlife and the Seekers. Sorry but a lot of AFF is reminding me of music I enjoyed in the past. Must be very old.

He'll build a world of his own that no one else can share
All his sorrows he'll leave far behind him there
And I know he will find there'll be peace of mind
When he lives in a world of his own

 

[Jousams]

been a member on AFF for almost 15 years. I normally try to be respectful and easygoing, however this comment easily takes the cake as the dumbest thing I have ever read on AFF.

On reflection, I have never been respectful, or easygoing. It’s still a dumb post…

 

[RooFlyer]

been a member on AFF for almost 15 years. I normally try to be respectful and easygoing, however this comment easily takes the cake as the dumbest thing I have ever read on AFF.

Sometimes you just have to sit back and giggle.

music I enjoyed in the past.

Another oldie that comes to mind

 

[airlinemn]

QF11 has been very good for the last week. Hopefully it stays the same for my flight in 2ish weeks,

 

[ozflier]

QF11 has been very good for the last week. Hopefully it stays the same for my flight in 2ish weeks,

QF11 has been very good for the last week. Hopefully it stays the same for my flight in 2ish weeks,

I'm flying MEL-LAX in 2 weeks time on a A 380 connecting to Seattle.
I've flown Australia to LAX twice in last 9 months on a A 380both times with nightmare delays involving missed connections at LAX.
I'm dreading this next trip .
However , its not always the QF A 380s that are reliable. I flew March on a QF 787 JFK to SYD and it was 5 hours late.
I wonder if the competition are as bad as QF when it comes to this kind of delay?

 

[RSD]

QF11 has been very good for the last week. Hopefully it stays the same for my flight in 2ish weeks,

I think that you just jinxed yourself!

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I'm flying MEL-LAX in 2 weeks time on a A 380 connecting to Seattle.
I've flown Australia to LAX twice in last 9 months on a A 380both times with nightmare delays involving missed connections at LAX.
I'm dreading this next trip .
However , its not always the QF A 380s that are reliable. I flew March on a QF 787 JFK to SYD and it was 5 hours late.
I wonder if the competition are as bad as QF when it comes to this kind of delay?

Possibly not - they probably haven't scrapped their airframes and so have some spares...

 

[airlinemn]

QF11 cancelled tonight lol.

 

[RSD]

QF11 cancelled tonight lol.

What are they rebooking everyone on to?

 

[Cloud9]

What are they rebooking everyone on to?

Makes ya wonder how much cash they saved getting rid of the two A380s...

 

[RSD]

Makes ya wonder how much cash they saved getting rid of the two A380s...

Makes ya wonder WTF is going on at Qantas! International has become a shambles.

 

[mx838383]

What are they rebooking everyone on to?

I am on this flight in a couple of months. Would love to know what everyone else got rebooked to too.

 

[RSD]

I am on this flight in a couple of months. Would love to know what everyone else got rebooked to too.

I'm on QF11 two months in a row later this year so would like to know what Plan B is?

 

[ShrinkWrapped]

I am on this flight in a couple of months. Would love to know what everyone else got rebooked to too.

The simple answer is that there are very few options.

If QF11 is cancelled around departure time, I think the only real option is QF73 To SFO or if you are really lucky time wise, you could possible get to BNE to catch the 15 or MEL to catch the 95, both which depart around 2100 - 2200 ish

If QF11 is cancelled earlier in the day (e.g. more than T-3 hours), then potentially QF7 is an option to the US with connections subsequently).

If QF11 is cancelled even earlier in the day then potentially you have AA/DL/UA rebooking options

 

[aus_flyer]

I wonder if the Qantas head of international is across A380 cancellations. I would have thought he’d get told every time an A380 flight is cancelled. But who knows…