Qantas aircraft servicing MEL PER

[markis10]

Wait another moment... Nope!

Jetconnect does not operate the A330. Jetconnect currently only operate the 734 and next gen 73H.

Jetconnect operates A330/767 as well as 737 crews, watch this space once the dust settles with APIA , its all paperwork and smoke/mirrors.

 

[Stuser]

I tend to agree that flying J on the 734 on the trip to Perth is rather dull.

Yep $1700 for a not very satisfying seat at this price. It IS uncompetitive. It doesn't have to be: there is no competition in J on this route.

I'm flying on a 738 SYD - Auckland soon, and the most expensive that flight gets is at least $400 LESS than the Perth flight, and I think the best I have got that seat for is about half the price of the Perth trip, ie around $800. Try getting that price on cross Aus plane... (flight time is about 3/4 length).

A shame that we can't use another business class airline. Not sure who suggested it, but there are NOT any!

A slight digression, you CAN use another product trans-Tasman, Emirates, hence no 734s on that route...

I LIKE my Qantas Gold benefits, and you have to work hard to make me use another airline, but my upcoming trip to NZ I am returning on Emirates in J.

Why? Well aside from the fact that I got each ticket for LESS than $400 in J, they are on the big 380 (sure, they're mainly picking up passengers to Dubai, but hey...)

The obvious comment is that Qantas can fly whichever planes across Aus and charge what they want because there is NO competition in J class.

 

[pauly7]

Jetconnect operates A330/767 as well as 737 crews, watch this space once the dust settles with APIA , its all paperwork and smoke/mirrors.

I think we have a different definition of operates. I meant the legal definition. QF mainline still maintains these aircraft on their register not Jetconnect.

But interested if you have heard they are planning a transfer of these and other aircraft!? Makes sense I guess

 

[markis10]

I think we have a different definition of operates. I meant the legal definition. QF mainline still maintains these aircraft on their register not Jetconnect.

But interested if you have heard they are planning a transfer of these and other aircraft!? Makes sense I guess

Operate means listed on their AOC, have a look at the 3K flights into Perth if you really want to get confused in terms of operator, ownership and rego.

 

[medhead]

A shame that we can't use another business class airline. Not sure who suggested it, but there are NOT any!

The obvious comment is that Qantas can fly whichever planes across Aus and charge what they want because there is NO competition in J class.

That is the entire point of the suggestion to fly with another airline. Given that situation I'm not sure the claim that a 734 is unacceptable or inadequate business product on that route can be supported. That is what Qantas offers and people keep buying it, including it would seem the OP. Someone is finding it acceptable enough to purchase.
Clearly it is not that unacceptable that DJs product is used instead. In fact, it doesn't even seem that unacceptable that another less convenient flight with Qantas is taken.

 

[NM]

A slight digression, you CAN use another product trans-Tasman, Emirates, hence no 734s on that route...

Well then the QF aircraft I travel Trans-Tasman last month must have been something else disguised as a 734. It certainly looked like a 734 to me. And this was a Trans-Tasman route where QF competes directly with EK, NZ and DJ as well as codeshares by AA, BA, CO, TG, UA, VA. And QF operates twice daily 734s on the route.

 

[Stuser]

Let's look at this way:

you prefer to fly economy, whilst OP prefers to fly J. Maybe this is why you can't see their point of view.

God, if I had to fly PER - MEL EVERY week, and it was for work, I'd be damn well demanding J. Flying that long that often really is a BIG PITA in economy.

And yes, I totally see your point that if it's not good enough then the OP can choose another flight, but you're missing their point that they don't want to waste half a day by taking a later flight...

I think the point is that they are allowed to have a whinge about what IS an inferior product without being taken to task.

Yes, it seems that every other flight PER - MEL is a better aeroplane. Such is life. Shame that this one is at the beginning of the day.

 

[Stuser]

My mistake.

But I bet you weren't flying from Sydney.

And anyway you're simply underlining my point that Qantas isn't the best on this route.

(and now that you've mentioned it, gee lucky for me that the original flight that I was booked on from MEL to Auckland was cancelled and I was put on an inconveniently earlier flight as my original flight was on a 734.... thank God I'm on a 738).

Besides, code shares are pretty irrelevant to what is being offered...

I guess Qantas knows that J class customers are going to be dominated by status flyers....

Well then the QF aircraft I travel Trans-Tasman last month must have been something else disguised as a 734. It certainly looked like a 734 to me. And this was a Trans-Tasman route where QF competes directly with EK, NZ and DJ as well as codeshares by AA, BA, CO, TG, UA, VA. And QF operates twice daily 734s on the route.

 

[NM]

But I bet you weren't flying from Sydney.

Indeed not. Sydney is the centre of the QF universe. Out here in the boondocks (BNE) we get whatever is left over ...

And anyway you're simply underlining my point that Qantas isn't the best on this route.

Indeed if I was spending my own money, especially of travelling in business class, I would be unlikely to be on the QF 734. But I was spending AA miles and travelling in Y so was a reasonable choice, especially as snagged the entire row 4 with portable DVD players provided for our entertainment.

 

[docjames]

The obvious comment is that Qantas can fly whichever planes across Aus and charge what they want because there is NO competition in J class.

Expect that also to change.:-|

 

[Stuser]

Yessir! I hear that.

Me, own money was on Emirates (at a bloody good price, too).

QF on points (I get loads through business expenses).

BNE the boondocks? Try living in CBR. Want a direct flight anywhere overseas? Don't think so.

Indeed not. Sydney is the centre of the QF universe. Out here in the boondocks (BNE) we get whatever is left over ...

Indeed if I was spending my own money, especially of travelling in business class, I would be unlikely to be on the QF 734. But I was spending AA miles and travelling in Y so was a reasonable choice, especially as snagged the entire row 4 with portable DVD players provided for our entertainment.

 

[medhead]

Let's look at this way:

you prefer to fly economy, whilst OP prefers to fly J. Maybe this is why you can't see their point of view.

God, if I had to fly PER - MEL EVERY week, and it was for work, I'd be damn well demanding J. Flying that long that often really is a BIG PITA in economy.

I assume this is directed at me. It is totally wrong to say I prefer to fly economy :-| It is also totally wrong to say I can't see the OP's POV or that I'm taking them to task. I can understand their disappointment, but I reject the reasoning used to claim that the 734 should not be used on MEL-PER routes. I have no empathy for someone who says that something isn't good enough for them, so someone else should have to suffer it.

If I was flying PER-MEL every week I would be more than happy with J in a 734.

BTW looks like Qantas has read this thread and responded to the OP because next Monday and Tuesday QF 480 is $1235 for J. That's with a 734 on Monday and :shock: a superior 738 on Tuesday. Oh, but look out the 332 for QF648 and QF802 are also $1235.
Just checked some more and every QF480 from 9 to 21 August operated by a 734 is currently available for $1235. It is also operated by 767 twice and 1 or 2 738s

 

[Stuser]

my girlfriend "claims" that economy is fine.

But she is a full twelve inches shorter than me.

And never complains when she finds herself in a business class seat.

But, medhead, I was just taking the second line from your own signature literally....

All in fun.... :shock:

and I do agree that PER can keep the 734 as I fly CAN-MEL way way way more often than I do to Perth and thanks I'll keep the 738.....

Good to see some lower J prices Perth trip. Bit unusual...

I assume this is directed at me. It is totally wrong to say I prefer to fly economy :-| It is also totally wrong to say I can't see the OP's POV or that I'm taking them to task. I can understand their disappointment, but I reject the reasoning used to claim that the 734 should not be used on MEL-PER routes. I have no empathy for someone who says that something isn't good enough for them, so someone else should have to suffer it.

If I was flying PER-MEL every week I would be more than happy with J in a 734.

BTW looks like Qantas has read this thread and responded to the OP because next Monday and Tuesday QF 480 is $1235 for J. That's with a 734 on Monday and :shock: a superior 738 on Tuesday. Oh, but look out the 332 for QF648 and QF802 are also $1235.
Just checked some more and every QF480 from 9 to 21 August operated by a 734 is currently available for $1235. It is also operated by 767 twice and 1 or 2 738s

 

[medhead]

But, medhead, I was just taking the second line from your own signature literally....

that's ok then

 

[serfty]

FWIW, I prefer to travel TT on QF in 734's. Personally, I find the new 73H seats are quite uncomfortable when compared to the J millennium or the standard economy seats.

FWIW, I do fly TT return at least monthly.

 

[pauly7]

Operate means listed on their AOC, have a look at the 3K flights into Perth if you really want to get confused in terms of operator, ownership and rego.

Ah ok so because there are some Jetconnect cabin crew on the mainline a/c - thats your definition?? I know this has been happening - clearly , but QF mainline pilots fly the planes, Jetconnect only have 737 pilots.

 

[nessjez]

I have no empathy for someone who says that something isn't good enough for them, so someone else should have to suffer it.

I think I said "big deal" to getting the 734 on a 60 minute flight. I don't just do MEL PER almost weekly, I do MEL CBR, MEL BRI and MEL ADL almost as frequently. I've said nothing about those routes, as the shortcomings of the aircraft aren't as frustrating when you're only on it for an hour or so.

Good to see Qantas has dropped the fares on 480 though

 

[nessjez]

Ohh so now it is short journeys. Go back to post #21. You said nothing about journey length. Therefore I can apply your logic to any route..

errrr, post #21 says Qantas shouldn't be using 734s on the MEL PER route at all. That's a long journey, isn't it. Did I mention MEL ADL, or MEL CBR? Why are you distorting my argument to apply it to all Qantas routes, while I'm trying to point out I'm only talking about MEL PER? After all, that is the title of the thread.

Are you sure we're reading the same thread? Perhaps you're just too busy reading between the lines.

 

[medhead]

These aircraft shouldn't be servicing this route at all when, for the same price, Qantas offer far superior aircraft on the same route at most other times.

Ok here is post #21. Can you read what is written after "at all". That is your argument. There is no mention of long or short journeys. I am only applying the logic of your argument to other routes. The only distortion is that you seem to selectively ignore what you previously wrote.

I'd also question the claim that it is the same price. The search I did, albeit limited to 2 weeks, shows J on the 734 is uniformly $1200 not $1700.

 

[nessjez]

The only distortion is that you seem to selectively ignore what you previously wrote.

What selectivity? All along I've said this is about MEL PER. You're the one who's tried to expand the argument to ALL 734 routes. I don't think I can be much clearer. This is not an argument just about price, so please do me the courtesy of not telling me what my point is, particularly when you seem to be one of the few people here who have missed it.