Qantas Airways Ltd. is revamping business-class services

[Stealth]

Hopefully it will see the demise of the 737-400 on the Perth-Adelaide sectors. Those split seats and no foot rest on a 3 hour flight in J is just cough.

 

[pauly7]

Hopefully it will see the demise of the 737-400 on the Perth-Adelaide sectors. Those split seats and no foot rest on a 3 hour flight in J is just cough.

The 734's will be phased out as the next gen 73H's are loaded into the domestic fleet

 

[anat0l]

That Pobblebonk looks repulsive. Then again, my palate is not favourable on the Pinot Grigios.

From my limited experience in flying in domestic J, however, I have never come across it. I can't even remember seeing it in the lounges.

I think QF is really going very hard on premium now and just think this is because of what DJ is *saying* not even doing!.... Yet..... Great to see some competitive pressure!!

I hope this results in good reforms, not a BA style reaction (look at CE now.... *shudder*)


I too hope that the 734 birds will go soon, too. Personally I think Jetconnect has got a better chance of ridding itself of its 734s before QF domestic does. In short, I'm not holding my breath.

They can keep the 734s on all routes to/from CBR (the pollies don't need comforts on their tax paid J seats) and perhaps ADL/MEL and MEL/HBA.

Some people may actively disagree with all of this, given that the 738s feel a bit more crowded than the 734s. 738s do have Millennium J, but since most of us can't and/or don't fly J all that often, we often don't care about the J product and more about the Y product. In which case, whilst row 4 of a 738 has superior leg room, you have a better chance (at least as an elite) to get a good legroom seat on a 734 because rows 4, 5 and 6 all have decent pitch.

A similar argument about the 763s. People would 'love' to get rid of them because they are so old, have dated facilities (all overhead IFE) and breakdown a bit too often (esp. the international ones), but some of us here like them as they are the only wide body aircraft on domestic routes, which have been said to be more comfy than narrow bodies.

 

[oz_mark]

, but some of us here like them as they are the only wide body aircraft on domestic routes, which have been said to be more comfy than narrow bodies.

*cough*A330*cough*

 

[Ewing]

They can keep the 734s on all routes to/from CBR (the pollies don't need comforts on their tax paid J seats) and perhaps ADL/MEL and MEL/HBA.

Spare a thought for those of us who are based in CBR who aren't pollies and don't work in the public sector.

Bring on the 738s I say. Having said that, if QF did that they'd probably need to put more seats in there. J on the 734s with 20 J seats often fills up, so a 738 with 12 J seats wouldn't be enough.

The Pobblebonk is repulsive though. I struggled to finish one glass and respectfully declined a second. If that's on offer, it'll be a G+T for me

 

[anat0l]

*cough*A330*cough*

Oh yes...I forgot about them.

Wouldn't mind a few of those on the golden triangle.

 

[mannej]

Oh yes...I forgot about them.

Wouldn't mind a few of those on the golden triangle.

Bring back the jumbos to transcontinental routes. Everything else just seems boring...

Wishful thinking I know;-)

 

[Dave Noble]

If they can't afford their own transport to/from the airport, perhaps they need to reconsider the need to fly J ... IMHO QF have a strong enough loyalty program that the status/oneworld benefits that come with regular (or even occassional) J travel outweigh a free limo ride to/from the airport.

Hmmmm.... Comparing the value of the EK FF programme vs the QF programme , I don't see the QF programme as better than the EK one. I'll settle for using 25k to upgrade economy to business on EK to Asia ( on rare cases booked in economy ) with a confirmable upgradeif award class available plus receive the chauffeur drive service at each end thanks to upgrading vs 40k for a QF upgrade

 

[Sequel]

If I were running a small business, and flying often say between SYD & MEL for day trips Tiger may make sense - with OLCI the checkin requirement is gone, business traffic often doesn't need luggage, and who really needs catering on a 1 hr flight anyway? And if the fares are cheap enough, it could be the case (say $100 vs $150) then with 10 fares saving $1000, a 1 in 20 cancellation rate is enough to purchase a full Y in QF and still have money in the bank.

Not for 99% of business travellers, but would be surprised if they aren't picking up some traffic.

For us it is not the $50 difference in fare that is the issue. If we are travelling it is because we are being charged out to a client at $'000's per day, so the risk of delays or missed meetings far outweigh the difference in ticket price. While no airline is perfect, if my QF flight is cancelled, I will be on another one within an hour or two, the same can't be said for jetstar/tiger.

 

[medhead]

For us it is not the $50 difference in fare that is the issue. If we are travelling it is because we are being charged out to a client at $'000's per day, so the risk of delays or missed meetings far outweigh the difference in ticket price. While no airline is perfect, if my QF flight is cancelled, I will be on another one within an hour or two, the same can't be said for jetstar/tiger.

I think that earlier post allude to buying a qantas flight if the tiger/jetstar flight is cancelled. In which case the same can be said; it is possible to be on another flight within an hour or 2.

Personally I booked a tiger flight for $75 when the best qantas could do was $197.70. That is the level of saving that makes the risk worthwhile for me and that tiger flys at a more convenient time

 

[markis10]

News have updated the info with content from the launch in Perth yesterday, Neil Perry inspired food seem to be the key takeaway along with consistent look and feel:

Qantas reveal multi-million-dollar upgrade | News.com.au

 

[drron]

I saw Crawford Rix of Tiger on TV saying how Tiger was attracting more business customers, who were just looking at getting lower fares.
Given that Tiger's fares are often not lower, given the cost of all the extras, and that their fares for last minute travel are often higher than their specials, I'm not so sure business travellers will flock to Tiger.
Given limited routes, cancellations, check in requirements, and dare we say lack of frequent flyer lounges I think Tiger are whistling in the wind.

Maybe attracting the"funny business"market.:shock:

 

[k_sheep]

Friends don't let friends drink pinot.

 

[dajop]

I think that earlier post allude to buying a qantas flight if the tiger/jetstar flight is cancelled. In which case the same can be said; it is possible to be on another flight within an hour or 2.

That's exactly what I meant, the Plan B for a Tiger cancellation is always throwaway ticketing and be on a QF/DJ/JQ flight within a short timeframe, especially on routes like MEL/SYD.

And not everyone is charging out their services at '000's of dollars an hour, a lot of travel is purely internal, so savings by travelling tiger could go straight to the bottom line.

 

[Sequel]

And not everyone is charging out their services at '000's of dollars an hour,

I wish! Unfortunately its only '00's per hour.

Point taken though.

 

[dajop]

I wish! Unfortunately its only '00's per hour.

ooops typo. We all wish!!!

 

[anat0l]

Friends don't let friends drink pinot.

Another member of this forum has an ABC rule... Anything But Chardonnay.

 

[NM]

Another member of this forum has an ABC rule... Anything But Chardonnay.

That would be similar to the "Non-Chardonous" policy?

 

[notzac]

Another member of this forum has an ABC rule... Anything But Chardonnay.

I could drink to that ... while making an exception for Chardonnay with french bubbles applied to it

 

[k_sheep]

Another member of this forum has an ABC rule... Anything But Chardonnay.

I have a new rule.