Qantas are to enforce the 4 segment rule for status!

[NM]

Perhaps the fairest way would be for QF to use a model akin to SQ PPS where status is awarded based on a spending amount per annum. e.g. $12,500 spending to get Platinum status (would line up similarly to the way AA offers EXP on purchase of an AA debit card). This then is fair on all members providing rewards based on spending rather than those spending their time trying to attain status by taking convoluted routings or hunting out cheap high earning routes and repeatedly flying them

Dave

By that measure I would not have had a year below Platinum since I can't remember when. Then again, I have held top tier status with QF ever since they started the concept of FF status so it would not have made any difference to me.

 

[Commuter]

I wouldn't be too upset if QF removed SC earning on low classes but increased them on the higher classes a la BA particularly for international travel

I would be pretty disappointed - since most of my travel is self-funded and if I were to do all of my travel in business class, I'd be spending $80,000 per year minimum

 

[JohnK]

I would be pretty disappointed - since most of my travel is self-funded....

You and the overwhelming majority of international travellers who can only afford to travel discount economy.

 

[JohnK]

I believe a 16 sector requirement would be wrong for QF.

Harsh! You are probably right.

I don't think it is in QFs interest to have FFers in the QFF program who earn status purely on travel on other Oneworld carriers.

 

[alect]

By enforcing the 4 segment rule, I don't think QF will lose very much in revenue if overseas based FF'ers deserted the QFF program.

Though I can't quantify this, QF will certainly be losing the revenue of the QFF points they sell/get paid for when these pax fly partners airlines - assuming ofcourse these px wise up to the change in enforncement nd shift their FF business to another FFP. And by all accounts selling FF points is nowadays a not insignificant stream of revenue for airlines.

 

[Dave Noble]

I would be pretty disappointed - since most of my travel is self-funded and if I were to do all of my travel in business class, I'd be spending $80,000 per year minimum

ahh.. but if they , for example, removed red-e-deals as status earning but make K,H and B fares on Qantas full status earning for all routes, then those (typically) travelling on business on the more flexible economy fares would be far better off and tip the balance towards status towards those of better value to Qantas. Might even encourage some people to purchase a K ticket rather than the cheapest available

Flying QF internationally rather than their competitors would make the climb up the pole to status easier and might encourage members to travel on QF where all else is equal

A change like this would benefit some and be of detetriment to others though would make status easier for those with a higher loyalty to QF whilst making it harder for those whose primary choice is on lowest fare. Is someone travelling on a Q class ticket of equal value to QF than someone on a K ticket?

Dave

 

[traveloguy]

ahh.. but if they , for example, removed red-e-deals as status earning but make K,H and B fares on Qantas full status earning for all routes, then those (typically) travelling on business on the more flexible economy fares would be far better off and tip the balance towards status towards those of better value to Qantas. Might even encourage some people to purchase a K ticket rather than the cheapest available

Flying QF internationally rather than their competitors would make the climb up the pole to status easier and might encourage members to travel on QF where all else is equal

A change like this would benefit some and be of detetriment to others though would make status easier for those with a higher loyalty to QF whilst making it harder for those whose primary choice is on lowest fare. Is someone travelling on a Q class ticket of equal value to QF than someone on a K ticket?

Dave

I have to completely agree with this philosophy, although I can't see it happening. I would also be happy for QF to drop the high earning CC rates so that frequent flyers rather than frequent buyers can earn and redeem flights.

 

[Dave Noble]

I have to completely agree with this philosophy, although I can't see it happening. I would also be happy for QF to drop the high earning CC rates so that frequent flyers rather than frequent buyers can earn and redeem flights.

Ahh yes. I would be v happy to see the whole debt card points accrual to be knocked back or completely removed

Dave

 

[NM]

ahh.. but if they , for example, removed red-e-deals as status earning but make K,H and B fares on Qantas full status earning for all routes, then those (typically) travelling on business on the more flexible economy fares would be far better off and tip the balance towards status towards those of better value to Qantas. Might even encourage some people to purchase a K ticket rather than the cheapest available

I have long been of the belief that QF should better recognise international B, H and K fares. They certainly make more profit out of those fares. It would indeed be fare to remove or reduce earning for N, O and Q, while improving earning for B, H and K.

 

[Dave Noble]

I have long been of the belief that QF should better recognise international B, H and K fares. They certainly make more profit out of those fares. It would indeed be fare to remove or reduce earning for N, O and Q, while improving earning for B, H and K.

I think that this would make much more sense than classing JQ Starclass to be business class for earning/burning

Dave

 

[Kiwi Flyer]

Aligning more closely to revenue like NZ, LH or SQ.

 

[d15.in.oz]

ahh.. but if they , for example, removed red-e-deals as status earning but make K,H and B fares on Qantas full status earning for all routes...

Ahhh, but they have already removed “red-e deals” from earning status!

Let me explain. Half a dozen years ago, a SYD-MEL QF sale or red-e deal could regularly cost $50 one way, and it doesn’t cost that much more today!

The QAN entry level price, on that route today (i.e. $59) is now a service without –

• Free food
• Points or Status gain
• The same level of QF in-flight amenity
• Access to MEL airport
• QF branding (i.e. it is now called Jet Saver of Jetstar Sale Fare)

So, what is the actual red-e deal of today?
It is the Super Saver price, of many years ago, minus the ability to upgrade!

(You need to take into account the full QAN group multi-airline marketing approach, when comparing range of pricing, especially against a single brand airline like AA.)

We should not become overly attached to a “product name”, or what a “letter” in GDS might mean today, because the moment the majority of customers do… e.g. a “K” class corporate travel policy, is the moment that savvy airlines can use it against them!

I would imagine that the smartest airline operators / alliances already have the death of GDS systems well planned out, to ensure they maximise their profits.

 

[Keith009]

A change to revenue-tracking as opposed to status based on miles/SCs accrued would also enable FF members to double dip ala SQ PPS style. It would work if QF introduces a FQTV/FQTS split in their software enabling someone to accrue miles on another FFP and also allowing that person's revenue contribution to the airline be tracked. Thus you could end up as a double sapphire or emerald, eg QF/AA and be able to enter lounges anywhere!

There is no loss to QF in introducing a split system IMHO as you'd still need to contribute a certain level of revenue to the airline in order to gain status. It would in fact benefit the airline in not having accrued points (ie liability) on its books.

Or am I being overly optimistic...

 

[leny]

Hi, now my internet is slow and it would take me ages to look for an answer.. so: Are Jetsaver fares counted as 'eligible segments' for status attain/retain?
Thanks

 

[littl_flier]

Hi, now my internet is slow and it would take me ages to look for an answer.. so: Are Jetsaver fares counted as 'eligible segments' for status attain/retain?
Thanks

Hi Leny, Jetsaver fares will not earn you anything to the QFF program- points, status credits or eligible segments.

Cheers,
litt_flier

 

[leny]

Thanks very much for that, litt_flier

 

[Mal]

Hi, now my internet is slow and it would take me ages to look for an answer.. so: Are Jetsaver fares counted as 'eligible segments' for status attain/retain?
Thanks

"18.1.5 The travel required in each Membership Year to attain or retain Silver, Gold or Platinum status level must include a minimum of four Eligible Flight Segments on Qantas, QantasLink or Jetstar."

Eligible Flight Segments (I believe) are in JetFlex and/or StarClass.

 

[wallacej]

Hi Leny, Jetsaver fares will not earn you anything to the QFF program- points, status credits or eligible segments.

Cheers,
litt_flier

All the more reason to keep flying DJ

 

[littl_flier]

All the more reason to keep flying DJ

Or start flying DJ. If they offer me a reasonable status (which is highly unlikely), I'll consider flying them. I just like my newspaper in the morning and beer in the afternoon. Oh, and the flexibility to change flights if my meeting finishes early. That's when/why I'll fly DJ. Virgin CityFlyer, doesn't quite have the same ring to it.

 

[serfty]

Eligible flights are those that earn QFF points and SC's. As to the four needed segments, they must be flown as eligible flight segments on QF or JQ flight numbers. JetSaver flights do not earn points or SC's.

Specifically:

• Eligible Flight
  • 'Eligible Flight' has the meaning given in clause 9.3.1;
• Clause 9.3.1
  • 9.3 Earning Points for Air Travel
    
    9.3.1 Subject to clauses 9.3.2 and 9.4, Points for air travel may be earned only for paid travel on regular scheduled flights where a Qantas flight number (or the flight number of any oneworldTM Alliance Airline or Airline Partner not excluded under clause 9.4) is entered on the itinerary ("Eligible Flight").
    
    9.3.2 For the purposes of earning Points, Status Credits and the Minimum Points Guarantee, Eligible Flights exclude a flight on a Qantas aircraft, where another airline's flight number is entered on the ticket, unless that flight has been specified by Qantas as an Eligible Flight.
    
    9.4 Points Are Not Earned on All Flights
    
    9.4.1 Points are not earned for travel on:
    (a) flights or booking classes that are excluded, as specified in the Airline Earning Table;
    (b) infant fares unless travelling in their own paid seat;
    (c) charter flights;
    (d) freighter flights;
    (e) free tickets, including tickets issued as Award Flights or rewards, including through other award programs;
    (f) travel industry rebated tickets;
    (g) competition prize tickets;
    (h) transport other than air transport unless specified by Qantas;
    (i) tickets acquired at an auction; or
    (j) tickets which are subject to any specific provisions excluding the accumulation of Points.