Qantas boosts international capacity, wet lease Finnair aircraft

[dajop]

I think AY codeshare on BA between SIN-SYD. So someone flying AY from HEL to SYD will be on BA metal instead of their own. It makes commercial sense but will be a bit bizarre for pax.

AY codeshare on QF also.

 

[justinbrett]

Who wrote these FAQs?

My customer is a Finnair Frequent Flyer member. Can customers earn Finnair Frequent Flyer points? ​

No.



Of course they can, it's oneworld.

AY codeshare on QF also.

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Right - so that's 2x FAQs that are incorrect - unless they specifically only codeshare on QF1/2 and not the AY operated flights.

 

[moa999]

I suspect the wet/dry lease combo was a requirement from the AY end. They don't want to be stuck with eight aircraft worth of crew when they are only operating six.

Over a few years natural attrition (retirements, upgrades etc) makes it easier to shift to dry lease.

 

[RealtimeY]

I wonder if these Finnair aircraft can be subbed onto other routes other than SIN and BKK

 

[Saab34]

I wonder if these Finnair aircraft can be subbed onto other routes other than SIN and BKK

Would love just to do a domestic leg. Always a carrier that has intrigued me and product looks pretty darn good!

 

[dajop]

Right - so that's 2x FAQs that are incorrect - unless they specifically only codeshare on QF1/2 and not the AY operated flights.

Maybe not, just looking at November that the codeshare associated with QF81 is zeroed out (as QF81 itself), no codeshare with with the new QF291 yet anyway, even though exactly same time. Otherwise what would the codeshare be, instead of AY (operated by QF), would it be AY (pretending to be QF flight, operated by AY),

 

[justinbrett]

Maybe not, just looking at November that the codeshare associated with QF81 is zeroed out (as QF81 itself), no codeshare with with the new QF291 yet anyway, even though exactly same time. Otherwise what would the codeshare be, instead of AY (operated by QF), would it be AY (pretending to be QF flight, operated by AY),

It would just be AY (QF).

Wet leases go under the lessee (like QF's Alliance contract), not the operator. You see these three-level operated by stuff all the time with regionals (QFxx_X operated by AAxx_X operated by American Eagle).

 

[Princess Fiona]

I can see QF291 operating on 30th October which appears to be the first date and they are selling PE on it.

 

[Melburnian1]

From late March 2024 if Finnair pilots are operating all SYD-BKK-SYD flights, does this mean cancellations when one plane runs badly late, due to insufficient properly rested pilots available for the next flight in the opposite direction?

(I am assuming only Finnair flight crew operate the two wet-leased planes,).

It may not be greatly dissimilar from the QF1/2/9/10 situation: two different aircraft types (A388s and B789s) and hence if the '1' runs late, the next 1' may also, complicated further by how cabin crew are from London but flight crew are from Oz.

 

[elanshin]

Flights to Singapore and Tokyo from Sydney at least are available to purchase. The new QF59 will depart at 12.20pm and arrive 20.15 local time before QF60 leaves at 22.00 (the exact same time as QF26).

Bit disappointing that Qantas didn't use the opportunity to run a day flight from Haneda to Sydney instead of leaving QF25/26 parked all day.

Perhaps QF26 is moving to being day flight instead? So QF25 arrives in the morning then QF26 leaves in the morning. Would make more sense from a naming pov that 25 lands then 26 leaves soon after 59lands at night then 60 leaves.

 

[moa999]

I can see QF291 operating on 30th October which appears to be the first date and they are selling PE on it.

And Rewards in all classes available.
Seems to be a single aircraft sitting for 5hrs in Sydney, and a tightish 2hr turn in Singapore.

QF291 SYD 1230 SIN 1750
QF292 SIN 2005 SYD 0710+1

Can't see when Bangkok starts.

 

[elanshin]

From late March 2024 if Finnair pilots are operating all SYD-BKK-SYD flights, does this mean cancellations when one plane runs badly late, due to insufficient properly rested pilots available for the next flight in the opposite direction?

(I am assuming only Finnair flight crew operate the two wet-leased planes,).

It may not be greatly dissimilar from the QF1/2/9/10 situation: two different aircraft types (A388s and B789s) and hence if the '1' runs late, the next 1' may also, complicated further by how cabin crew are from London but flight crew are from Oz.

Hard to say without knowing the agreement. Perhaps they have extra rotation in crews in Sydney. Perhaps they will be trained to fly QF a330 metal that may operationally be put in to cover an issue.

 

[dajop]

Perhaps QF26 is moving to being day flight instead? So QF25 arrives in the morning then QF26 leaves in the morning. Would make more sense from a naming pov that 25 lands then 26 leaves soon after 59lands at night then 60 leaves.

 

[jase05]

Qantas pilots aren’t happy. The Oz on line

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Do they have a point re the A330 conversion and lack of fleet planning?

Purely from a selfish POV but we need that A330 in our fleet ASAP. Some of us are relying on the bonuses

 

[Cognac]

Great to see the increased capacity. Too bad to see none of it ex-PER. Especially to Singapore with extra capacity, or even a single route to Tokyo a couple of times a week instead of having to connect somewhere.

 

[JasonK]

I understand they are using A330s with the new business class seats, so that's exciting

 

[elanshin]

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I'd imagine that changing existing flights might be a bit more difficult than adding the new ones in given you'd have to move all the passengers etc.

We'll see I guess. I'd be pretty sure they'll move it to day flights or operationally it'd be a very stupid move.

 

[AIRwin]

NRT lounge will join HKG in reopening?

 

[JasonK]

NRT lounge will join HKG in reopening?

Doubt they would. Likely send people to the JAL lounge, which is fairly nice anyways!

 

[PERLHR]

Oh why can't this be out of Perth........never get anything decent!