Qantas Club Dress Standards...Stubbies, singlet and thongs....What the???

[OATEK]

Its the old "lets judge a group of people based on the behaviour of a small subset of that group". Us Gen Y's usually get tarnished in a similar matter.

I've seen numerous hi viz wearing people in the lounge and not a single one has ever been or caused a problem. Yet yesterday one man in a suit insisted on playing loud videos on his phone without headphones and another had a loud conversation that they whole lounge could have participated in. Behaviour is dependent on the person, not what they are wearing

While every thing you say is common sense, it is way off topic IMHO. The issue is "dress standards", and I still take issue with people who are in filthy clothes, or where their clothes expose filthy smelly parts of their person (eg feet). Has happened twice in the lounge in the last 10 years, so not a big problem and you can move away unlike when on a crowded flight. I don't like it any more than in winter when a smoker in their coat of 20 years (that attests so well to their addiction) sits next to you on the train! I cope, but I don't like it.

Of the two times I have preferred to move away from someone dirty and smelly in the lounge, they had hi-viz on once. Not a great statistical sample to draw solid conclusions, so I haven't.

 

[swilk]

Its the old "lets judge a group of people based on the behaviour of a small subset of that group". Us Gen Y's usually get tarnished in a similar matter.

At last I have my chance to make a pedantic comment. Perhaps I've been reading Zoltan Kovacs' column a little too often.

It's "It's" not Its.
It's "let's" not "lets"
It's "we" not "us"
and it's "Ys" not "Y's"

There, now that's off my chest I feel better.

I don't care what people wear as long as their clothes are clean, they are not smelly, don't show offensive parts of their bodies or put their feet on the furniture. I also appreciate that there are many of you who are very important people but shouting at your mobile phone is offensive. Go somewhere else if you want to swear at your phone or other passengers.

 

[blackcat20]

At last I have my chance to make a pedantic comment. Perhaps I've been reading Zoltan Kovacs' column a little too often.

It's "It's" not Its.
It's "let's" not "lets"
It's "we" not "us"
and it's "Ys" not "Y's"

There, now that's off my chest I feel better.

And I'm on a painful keyboard and cant be bothered hitting the extra keys to please the grammar nuts. Boo hoo.

 

[swilk]

And I'm on a painful keyboard and cant be bothered hitting the extra keys to please the grammar nuts. Boo hoo.

Oh, you mean the extra key in Y's

 

[RichardMEL]

I think most of us agree that it's not the clothing (eg: high vis, t shirts, suits or whatever) that are the issue but either a) the cleanliness of same (and I kind of include the person wearing them - eg: BO) or b) behaviour. QF's announcement hasn't addressed b) but I imagine that is way more of an issue than a) but now QF are making it clear there are clearly some limits, and I'd like to think that this announcement is aimed at these people.

Personally I don't give a crud about people in high vis, suits, shorts or a skimpy singlet (specially if she's easy on the eye... there's your chauvinist male comment ) - it's not my concern, but if I can smell them.... or parts of them (and one could also argue swimming in perfume/aftershave can also come under this) then not great.. of course I don't like sitting near smokers because, in generaly, their clothes smell and I don't like that but it's not illegal and I simply choose to move away.

I agree that we don't need stereotyping at all - it's not fair to anyone and as usual it is going to be a small minority of people that cause this even to be an (apparent) issue.

btw I'm very sorry I spilled OJ in the BNE J lounge last Sunday. it was an honest accident. Maybe because I was wearing jeans...

peace everyone

 

[wandering_fred]

People wearing replica watches should not be allowed into the F lounge.

Given the proliferation of smart phones with clocks, alarms and probably Big Ben chiming apps, why wear a watch at all?
Especially since your status is already confirmed by your presence in the lounge...

Things were much simpler when all you had to do is look at the sky to determine the time...

Clothes anywhere (but perhaps especially in closed spaces like lounges) should not be distracting. In a good or bad sense.

But I'm wandering

Fred

 

[Austman]

Given the proliferation of smart phones with clocks, alarms and probably Big Ben chiming apps, why wear a watch at all?

I stopped wearing watches about 5 years ago. The only time (haha) I missed them was when it was "mobiles/devices OFF" on flights. Now that it's often "flight mode is OK", I miss them even less.

 

[Quickstatus]

Well at least the US Supreme Court decided in 1991 that Nudity is not expressive conduct and therefore not speech under the First Amendment.

So I dont think streakers will have much leverage in the Q Pubs.

 

[Claudius]

Given the proliferation of smart phones with clocks, alarms and probably Big Ben chiming apps, why wear a watch at all?

Can you please tell this to all the tech companies trying to sell us "smart watches"?

 

[MEL_Traveller]

why is everyone fussed about exposed feet? Aside from the safety issue (which is hardly our concern, it is the concern of the passenger)... feet are no more dirty than shoes, perhaps even cleaner because if you aren't wearing shoes you might be more careful where you're actually stepping.

I'd rather have someone with no shoes than someone taking off their shoes and smelling out the lounge with sweaty socks. Same applies on the plane - I'd rather thongs/flip-flops than sweaty socks.

And what's the difference between a pair of thongs/flip-flops and a pair of flat open sandals? Just because the latter is more expensive, or 'designer'?

I don't really see how what people wear impacts on our own travel experience... unless you let it. If we sit in a lounge and boil over for no good reason, that's our own issue, not the offending passenger's. If you want to wear PJs in the lounge, what's wrong with that? Why should it bother anyone else?

 

[boomy]

why is everyone fussed about exposed feet? Aside from the safety issue (which is hardly our concern, it is the concern of the passenger)... feet are no more dirty than shoes, perhaps even cleaner because if you aren't wearing shoes you might be more careful where you're actually stepping.

I'd rather have someone with no shoes than someone taking off their shoes and smelling out the lounge with sweaty socks. Same applies on the plane - I'd rather thongs/flip-flops than sweaty socks.

And what's the difference between a pair of thongs/flip-flops and a pair of flat open sandals? Just because the latter is more expensive, or 'designer'?

I don't really see how what people wear impacts on our own travel experience... unless you let it. If we sit in a lounge and boil over for no good reason, that's our own issue, not the offending passenger's. If you want to wear PJs in the lounge, what's wrong with that? Why should it bother anyone else?

Some people are too closed minded and judge others by the clothes they wear.
It's a shame but this is the society we live in, one which accepts rude behaviour by people who wear designer clothes (witnessed that both in lounges and onboard planes) and rejects others just because they wear simple clothes who don't match their own taste.
QF may impose a dress code, I have no problem with that as I usually dress within acceptable standards but it won't change the behaviour of people in lounges. Those who were rude while wearing thongs will stay rude while wearing shoes.

 

[drron]

Boomy you forget some of us were born in another era.Our ideas on acceptable dress were moulded when we were young.You could say those who cant accept that fact may also have closed minds but in fact we are just different.
Google pictures of the unemployed in the great Depression-most men were wearing suits even though they had no job.
Different times,different standards.

 

[fifo]

Different times,different standards.

Not to be blunt but, get with the times then? Or stay current with the times rather.

 

[drron]

Not to be blunt but, get with the times then? Or stay current with the times rather.

Why should I have your standards?
I accept people in hivis.So why cant they accept my standards.Surely we are allowed to be different?

 

[footy99]

why is everyone fussed about exposed feet? Aside from the safety issue (which is hardly our concern, it is the concern of the passenger)... feet are no more dirty than shoes, perhaps even cleaner because if you aren't wearing shoes you might be more careful where you're actually stepping.

I'd rather have someone with no shoes than someone taking off their shoes and smelling out the lounge with sweaty socks. Same applies on the plane - I'd rather thongs/flip-flops than sweaty socks.

And what's the difference between a pair of thongs/flip-flops and a pair of flat open sandals? Just because the latter is more expensive, or 'designer'?

I don't really see how what people wear impacts on our own travel experience... unless you let it. If we sit in a lounge and boil over for no good reason, that's our own issue, not the offending passenger's. If you want to wear PJs in the lounge, what's wrong with that? Why should it bother anyone else?

Agree with every word of this.

On the thongs thing - I'm going on a short trip next weekend where I'll be wearing my havaianas on the flight (and thus in the lounge), and won't even be packing any other unnecessary foot wear for the trip. Like probably anyone going on a short holiday, particularly to the beach. So I can't imagine QF could contemplate banning them from the lounge. Will have to enquire about that when I'm there.

And on the pjs - as someone who has been known to slip on the Qantas Greys and slippers for a cabana sleep at CX's Wing, and just leave them on for the flight, it's great to see sentiments like this!

 

[Flying mermaid]

I stopped wearing watches about 5 years ago. The only time (haha) I missed them was when it was "mobiles/devices OFF" on flights. Now that it's often "flight mode is OK", I miss them even less.

Now that we have Google watches (Master FM gave Mr FM one when he came back home for Christmas), you have to put your watch into Flight mode. I was quite unconvinced about the gadget to start with, but it has proved useful - seriously ugly though.....

 

[Wests Tigers]

Have been reading these posts for days and I am aghast. Why cannot people show respect for others, dress appropriately for the venue, and avoid being told what to wear like a child. Some clubs, pubs and restaurants have dress standards. Do you argue about that like this forum? No. Just stop being so selfish everyone and do what is asked of you! Have a nice day

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Boomy you forget some of us were born in another era.Our ideas on acceptable dress were moulded when we were young.You could say those who cant accept that fact may also have closed minds but in fact we are just different.
Google pictures of the unemployed in the great Depression-most men were wearing suits even though they had no job.
Different times,different standards.

I agree people have their own standards, and that's fine in the privacy of our own domain. We can choose who we let into your own house, or who we wish to associate with when we go out to dinner or to the movies.

But in a public space are not our standards ours alone? Unless the standards (and/or laws) are in place to protect ourselves or others (or make co-existence just that little more pleasant... like not yelling into your mobile), does it matter what people do or what they wear?

If we are going to complain about dress standards... what about the 'well dressed' person who proceeds to cut their bread roll? Or cut salad leaves?

 

[footy99]

Boomy you forget some of us were born in another era.Our ideas on acceptable dress were moulded when we were young.You could say those who cant accept that fact may also have closed minds but in fact we are just different.
Google pictures of the unemployed in the great Depression-most men were wearing suits even though they had no job.
Different times,different standards.

This is all good when you apply it to yourself. I.e. "I believe wearing shorts in a lounge is disrespectful and offensive, therefore I won't wear them."

It's not all good when you just expect everyone else to conform to your standards. I.e. "I believe wearing shorts in a lounge is disrespectful and offensive, therefore that person wearing shorts is disrespectful and offensive and should be banned for not conforming to my standards."

 

[11sjw]

Any chance of an odour from my feet and I'll encase them. (No I normally don't have smelly feet ) I think this possibility is where the dislike for thongs/flip flops comes from. Generally encased feet have a lesser chance of projecting their smells on the rest of us.