Qantas Delays/Cancellations

The 0905 MEL - LST, QF2281, has been cancelled on Wednesday 11 May 2016.

QF735 (0700 hours SYD across to ADL) has been altered to depart at 0740 hours. No further delays are publicly displaying for this aircraft which is odd as normally one would expect that an Adelaide to Melbourne or Sydney flight would then be delayed as a result of the first flight's unpunctuality.
 
jpk thank you for this 'pure gold' information from the coalface.

QF422 departed MEL this morning at 1125 rather than 1000, but lost time presumably due to excess taxiing time if operations were only on one runway, arriving SYD at 1302 rather than 1125, the latter being 97 minutes late.

QF73 did not depart until 1322 and is predicted as on time into SFO for an 0930 hours same day arrival. If it had waited, departure could conceivably have been at say around the 1415 - 1430 mark (given that luggage would have been 'tagged through' and boarding passes issued in MEL) so arrival in SFO might not be much more than an hour late. As an aside, FJ910 from SYD to NAN (which is also QF345) departed SYD at 1316 and is due in Fiji tonight three minutes early at 1847.

jpk, do you suspect that these SFO (and NAN) bound passengers were given hotel rooms on arrival in SYD? They would have long missed QF11 and AA72 to LAX or competitor UA870 to SFO, and there are no later departures for LAX or SFO on a Monday if I am not mistaken.

The one thing jpk did not explain was whether the QF73 and QF345 connecting passengers actually boarded QF422 in MEL and travelled (late) to SYD or whether they were asked to go back home (or given a MEL hotel if not a local resident.)

That's the one piece of the jigsaw that is missing.

Sorry gents, it's been a busy few days and I'm just catching up on this thread now. There were quite a few pax on the 422 that were connecting to DFW/SFO/NAN, and they let them move up the cabin to the front of economy in order to get them off the plane asap - I had one next to me which is why I took an interest in the situation. The CSM then announced on descent that the DFW pax would be ok, the NAN/SFO were to go to the service desk. So the decision had already been made before we landed that those flights would not be waiting. As I left the airport it was starting to kick off at the international transfers desk.

The NAN flight was on FJ so I can understand them not waiting - it had already pushed as we landed. The SFO flight pushed at 120ish but didn't take off until 145ish, so I honestly think that if QF had it's act together it could have waited, expedited the transfer and then made up the time in the air. Baggage would have been iffy though. I can only presume that the connecting pax were too low in quantity and status.

The only way I could see on EF to get to SFO without delaying 24 hours and going via LAX or on UA, was to get JQ to HNL around 10pm that night, then continue on a domestic USA flight. I'd be unhappy at that routing personally. I am presuming pax were given hotel vouchers and put on an LAX flight the next day, but that's just a guess.

Hope that helps explain things.
 
jpk, an outstanding explanation but it remains surprising that QF must have made the decision to have QF73 depart without your 'connectors' after QF422 had departed. Granted, the delay to QF422 may have been a movable feast with expected departure gradually being more delayed, and not foreseeable two hours in advance of when pushback occurred.
 
The NAN flight was on FJ so I can understand them not waiting - it had already pushed as we landed. The SFO flight pushed at 120ish but didn't take off until 145ish, so I honestly think that if QF had it's act together it could have waited, expedited the transfer and then made up the time in the air. Baggage would have been iffy though. I can only presume that the connecting pax were too low in quantity and status.

I thought I'd explained that. You can't really 'make up time in the air'. Sometimes the winds are in your favour (or just less unfavourable than normal), but it's unusual on a long haul flight to be able to afford the fuel required to go fast enough to make any real difference.

The flight was due to depart at 1300, and that would leave the crew with 60 minutes leeway on duty time. Waiting would put the entire thing at risk of needing new crew. That may not be the reason they left, but it would have been part of the equation.
 
On Wednesday 11 May 2016, the B744-operated QF15 from BNE departed 80 minutes late at 1120 but is expected to arrive 50 minutes late at 0650 same day, a gain of half an hour on the schedule.

in the opposite direction - westbound - QF12 departed LAX at 0117 hours on Wednesday instead of 2230 hours on Tuesday 10 May - two hours and 47 minutes late - but should arrive SYD at 0825 hours, an hour and 55 minutes late and a gain if the prediction of arrival holds true of 52 minutes on the timetable.
 
QF127 on Thursday 12 May departed SYD at 56 minutes late at 1101 but is forecast to only be half an hour late in arriving in Hong Kong at 1750 this evening, a net gain of 26 minutes on the timetable.

QF73 from SYD to SFO is delayed from 1300 to 1600 in its departure today. I assume that given jb747's post above, this would either necessitate the originally rostered crew signing on later (if QF knew about the delay in sufficient time for that to occur, such as crew delaying their departure from their homes) or new tech and cabin crews have been organised and will sign on much closer to 1600 hours than 1300 hours.

B717-operated QF1504 from HBA to MEL departed at 1417 instead of 1200, 137 minutes behind time. It should arrive at 1532 rather than 1315. As a result, QF1505 from MEL to HBA that was timetabled to depart at 1355 is not anticipated to push back until 1600.

QF1506, the 1550 hours from HBA back to MEL will therefore depart at 1745 with arrival at 1900, an hour and 55 minutes (115 minutes) late.

If QF had an award for its most unpunctual domestic route, MEL - HBA and return would have to be 'top of the pops.' The continuing late running of these B717 flights from HBA to both MEL and SYD must be an embarrassment to Alan Joyce and his management because at times many captains of industry, senior politicians and senior public servants would have to traipse down to HBA for one reason or another, and few have their own corporate (or government) jet.
 
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If QF had an award for its most unpunctual domestic route, MEL - HBA and return would have to be 'top of the pops.' The continuing late running of these B717 flights from HBA to both MEL and SYD must be an embarrassment to Alan Joyce and his management because at times many captains of industry, senior politicians and senior public servants would have to traipse down to HBA for one reason or another, and few have their own corporate (or government) jet.
QF1508 and QF1509 still show as running to schedule, so those booked on the late running QF1506 will have to wait another 35 minutes after they see QF1508 depart. It seems as though QF wants to exit HBA but its previous tactic of using Q400s was too overt. Still being able to spout forth a "commitment" to operate services to HBA while trying to get travelers to use VA or JQ because of poor reliability seems to be less obvious.
 
QF1508 and QF1509 still show as running to schedule, so those booked on the late running QF1506 will have to wait another 35 minutes after they see QF1508 depart. It seems as though QF wants to exit HBA but its previous tactic of using Q400s was too overt. Still being able to spout forth a "commitment" to operate services to HBA while trying to get travelers to use VA or JQ because of poor reliability seems to be less obvious.

nonscenic your theory may be correct - I lack information to the contrary, but to presumably sign a contract with Cobham to operate the B717s between HBA - MEL and HBA - SYD may be an expensive way to 'exit.'

There are many travellers seeimingly wedded to QF. Remember the furore some years back when for a number of years QF pulled out of OOL, and possibly HTI as well? The Bob Oakleys of the world vociferously complained.

What would an 'own metal' exit from HBA do to QF's claim to be (the albeit almost 50 per cent foreign owned, privatised) 'national airline?'

It would see it running 'own metal' flights to all State capitals except HBA, and to add insult to injury operating flights to DRW (and CBR) which are Territory - not State - and in one case the National - capital(s).

You were quite correct about times. QF1508 departed two minutes late from HBA at 1712 and should arrive in MEL on time at 1825 hours. In contrast, QF1506 departed at 1740 instead of its timetabled 1550 hours - an hour and 50 minutes behind the schedule - with MEL arrival suggested as 1850, an hour and 45 minutes late.

Would I be correct to suggest that if there are spare seats on QF1508 (and passengers are checked in with sufficient time) and these travellers lack checked in luggage, travelling 'light' as AFF member JessicaTam asserts is the way to go if I recall, that they might be transferred to the first departure - in this case QF1508 instead of having to wait for QF1506 to depart? It might not be hard to also extend this favour to some passengers with luggage for the hold, depending on time available to sort it on the trollies.

Some AFF members have commented that mostly QF does not do this (unlike VA) but does it make an exception in cases like this, especially for travellers 'with status?'

SYD - HBA has not been immune, with VH-YQY on QF1585, the 1740 hours, not airborne until 1915 and hence not arriving until 2100 hours, 80 minutes late.

QF1554 (1930 hours CBR - BNE, B717 VH-YQU) took off at 2045 with arrival suggested as roughly 2216, just over an hour late. This makes five capital cities suffering from QF B717 unpunctuality today. Not a good look on a day that has not had significant climatic challenges - in MEL, for instance, the weather has been benign (some wind in HBA though.)
 
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Sorry gents, it's been a busy few days and I'm just catching up on this thread now. There were quite a few pax on the 422 that were connecting to DFW/SFO/NAN, and they let them move up the cabin to the front of economy in order to get them off the plane asap - I had one next to me which is why I took an interest in the situation. The CSM then announced on descent that the DFW pax would be ok, the NAN/SFO were to go to the service desk. So the decision had already been made before we landed that those flights would not be waiting. As I left the airport it was starting to kick off at the international transfers desk.

The NAN flight was on FJ so I can understand them not waiting - it had already pushed as we landed. The SFO flight pushed at 120ish but didn't take off until 145ish, so I honestly think that if QF had it's act together it could have waited, expedited the transfer and then made up the time in the air. Baggage would have been iffy though. I can only presume that the connecting pax were too low in quantity and status.

The only way I could see on EF to get to SFO without delaying 24 hours and going via LAX or on UA, was to get JQ to HNL around 10pm that night, then continue on a domestic USA flight. I'd be unhappy at that routing personally. I am presuming pax were given hotel vouchers and put on an LAX flight the next day, but that's just a guess.

Hope that helps explain things.
Who are these gents you speak of?
 
Who are these gents you speak of?

JT, I think jpk was referring to Melburnian1 and I. He posted a "coalface" report upthread about the misconnection to QF73 by some pax from MEL via a delayed QF422. Both Mel1 and I had posted further in-thread discussion about the issue.

JB747 also kindly provided a technical perspective that passengers are often unable to consider.
 
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On Friday 13 March, QF30 from HKG should arrive MEL at about 0835, 35 minutes late, with A333 VH-QPI the operating aircraft. It had not taken off until 2120 on Thursday 12 evening despite a 2030 hours timetabled departure.

QF1529 (B717 VH-YQU) is the 0840 CBR - MEL, but it was not airborne until 0933, meaning arrival at about 1035, 45 minutes late. QF1528 from MEL to CBR will therefore depart at 1110 instead of 1030.

QF2454 (0940 BNE to MOV) has been delayed until an estimated 1030.

QF23, the 0950 SYD to BKK, is only taxiing at 1040 (A333 VH-QPH) and so may be late into BKK, but QF has yet to update its forecast arrival time. There is the usual 1030 hours queue of aircraft waiting to take off on runway 34L.
 
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On Friday 13 May, the 1230 SYD to SCL, QF27 B744 VH-OJU), has been altered to depart two hours late at 1430. A 1310 hours arrival, an hour late, is expected. This will delay the Friday QF28 back to SYD as it is timetabled to depart at 1430 hours, normally arriving SYD at 1745 late afternoon on Saturday.

Earlier, QF63, the also B744-operated SYD to JNB departed 70 minutes late at 1200 and is expected to arrive 75 late at 1825 same day. As QF64 is scheduled to depart at 1910 hours, it too will be unable to depart on time.
 
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On Friday 13 May, the 1230 SYD to SCL, QF27 B744 VH-OJU), has been altered to depart two hours late at 1430. A 1310 hours arrival, an hour late, is expected. This will delay the Friday QF28 back to SYD as it is timetabled to depart at 1430 hours, normally arriving SYD at 1745 late afternoon on Saturday.

Earlier, QF63, the also B744-operated SYD to JNB departed 70 minutes late at 1200 and is expected to arrive 75 late at 1825 same day. As QF64 is scheduled to depart at 1910 hours, it too will be unable to depart on time.

And apropos of nothing, QF27 went out without functioning IFE, and pax were given a voucher to purchase a (single) magazine, apparently. Probably the reason for the delay.
 
On Saturday 14 May 2016, QF1513, the 0815 hours SYD - CBR is expected to push back 40 minutes late.

QF94 should arrive in MEL about 52 minutes late at 0752 hours ex LAX while its LAX - SYD QF12 A388 colleague should be at the gate 62 minutes late at 0732.

The B744-operated QF16 into BNE ex LAX arrived 74 minutes late at 0724.

As a result QF93 is expected to depart 20 minutes late at 0935 from MEL for its longhaul trip to LAX.

UPDATE: QF93 has been further altered to depart an expected 35 minutes late at 0950.
 
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The delayed QF27 that departed from SYD on Friday 13 May arrived SCL at 1359, 84 minutes late and as QF28 departed at 1603, 93 minutes late. However Saturday 14 May arrival back in SYD is suggested as only half an hour behind at 1815, a net gain of 63 minutes.

QF63, another B744 flight, departed SYD on 14 May at 1133 - 43 minutes late - but is expected to arrive only 35 minutes late at 1745.

Friday 13 May's QF63 arrived JNB 66 minutes late at 1816 with QF64 departing at 2025, 75 minutes late for a Saturday 14, 1550 hours arrival in SYD, 50 minutes late.
 
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The delayed QF27 that departed from SYD on Friday 13 May arrived SCL at 1359, 84 minutes late and as QF28 departed at 1603, 93 minutes late.

We were on QF28. Was told by the J crew that QF27 was delayed due to IFE issues ... company said fly - captain said no.

I say - thank you captain!
 
Did they fix the IFE prior to departure?

Assume they fixed prior to QF27 departing .... was fine on the 28 return. Watched Trumbo and 99 homes - both terrific movies.

[video=youtube;ehlHN0A6FxI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehlHN0A6FxI[/video]
 

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