Qantas Delays/Cancellations

[straitman]

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well.. if the times are averaged out I'm glad I took my hit for the team with a 67 minutes SYD-MEL a couple months back (someone's gotta do them right? :mrgreen

Just to be clear, was that flight time or gate to gate :?:

 

[MEL_Traveller]

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Just to be clear, was that flight time or gate to gate :?:

gate to gate flight time was 54 or 56 minutes or something.

 

[straitman]

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gate to gate flight time was 54 or 56 minutes or something.

Very good. Obviously everything lined up perfectly on that occasion.
To me it highlights the point that it is necessary to be a little conservative with the scheduling to cover the extremes. This is particularly important when allowing for connecting flights. If the schedules were tightened up and people started to miss connections then there would be a great outcry.

 

[Melburnian1]

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On an east coast day with bad weather (including the BOM stating that it 'felt' almost zero degrees in the MEL CBD at 0900 this morning), QF458 tonight departed MEL 20 minutes late at 1820 but diverted to CBR, arriving at 2008, with an expected departure at 2040 for a SYD arrival at 2130 - 125 minutes late.

Was the diversion due to the large number of aircraft trying to land in SYD and inability to obtain timely clearance to land, or for medical reasons?

JB of VA commented this week that 'there had been some demand for SYD - MEL flights' which didn't strike me as unusual in (a) Grand Final week (b) school holidays but there are also extra flights operating from PER to MEL as AFFers have discussed in the 'Fremantle Dockers' forum, so it's a busy day. Tomoorow may be even busier.

Unusually, QF4, the 1055 HNL - SYD of Wednesday 25 September is in BNE, having just arrived at 2039 after having departed HNL two hours and 38 minutes late. QF suggests that it will only be at BNE until 2115 (a quick 36 minute stop) with an anticipated SYD arrival at 2245. Will we see a dispensation being granted if this diverted flight ends up being due into SYD later than 2300?

 

[Mattg]

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On an east coast day with bad weather (including the BOM stating that it 'felt' almost zero degrees in the MEL CBD at 0900 this morning), QF458 tonight departed MEL 20 minutes late at 1820 but diverted to CBR, arriving at 2008, with an expected departure at 2040 for a SYD arrival at 2130 - 125 minutes late.

Was the diversion due to the large number of aircraft trying to land in SYD and inability to obtain timely clearance to land, or for medical reasons?

JB of VA commented this week that 'there had been some demand for SYD - MEL flights' which didn't strike me as unusual in (a) Grand Final week (b) school holidays but there are extra flights operating from PER to MEL, so it's a busy day. Tomoorow may be even busier.

I believe SYD was down to one runway earlier today due to strong winds so its probably just a flow-on from that.

 

[Brettmcg]

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QNH: 1014. EXP INDEP VIS APCH. CL. RWY 34L&R FOR ARRS & DEPS. PARL RWY OPS IN PROGRESS. INDEP DEPS IN PROGRESS. WX: CAVOK. TMP: 19.

SYD was operating from a single RWY due to high winds for much of the afternoon. Some flights departing SYD have been leaving with delays of up to 1 hr. I could well imagine the diversion has to do with considerable congestion around the airfield.

 

[Simo]

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IMHO Dispensations need to be given when there is bad weather events.

The flow on effects affect many people and missed connections is very possible for even tomorrow.

 

[Melburnian1]

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Here are the principles that supposedly guide whether or not a dispensation from the curfew is required, and if it is, whether it will be granted. Note the mention of 'adverse weather conditions know to an operator':

Guidelines for The Granting of Dispensations for Aircraft to Use Sydney Airport During Curfew Hours in Exceptional Circumstances

 

[Simo]

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Here are the principles that supposedly guide whether or not a dispensation from the curfew is required, and if it is, whether it will be granted. Note the mention of 'adverse weather conditions know to an operator':

Guidelines for The Granting of Dispensations for Aircraft to Use Sydney Airport During Curfew Hours in Exceptional Circumstances

I have read the guide for dispensations and understand the rules.

It is my opinion that weather should be a reason for allowing dispensation in the current circumstance of bad weather.

It is also my opinion that due to weather they should extend the curfew by 1 hour during bad weather which creates delays and puts the airport operating on 1 runway. There needs to be rules around it and it should be a no brainer to happen in certain times.

Taking off before 6am should not be allowed unless there is bad weather but only in this case aircraft can land 30 mins before curfew.

I was on a first flight out of Sydney one morning and due to bad weather we had to wait for nearly an hour as many overnight flights landed.

Pilot said we had to wait for these flights to land due to fuel issues as most had travelled many hours and they had been doing laps for nearly an hour.

 

[jb747]

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I was on a first flight out of Sydney one morning and due to bad weather we had to wait for nearly an hour as many overnight flights landed.

Pilot said we had to wait for these flights to land due to fuel issues as most had travelled many hours and they had been doing laps for nearly an hour.

Bit like giving way to the right. A landing aircraft has priority over one taking off.....

 

[JohnK]

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And another fact of mine, most of my flights to MEL-SYD are within 10mins of the scheduled time listed. I tend to mix up my times too. Here's another tip, plane flights have far greater external factors affecting times than a train!

If I was within 10 minutes of scheduled time on most of my flights then I would be ecstatic.

Unfortunately I am one of those anomalies in the statistics.

 

[nlagalle]

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If I was within 10 minutes of scheduled time on most of my flights then I would be ecstatic.

Unfortunately I am one of those anomalies in the statistics.

JohnK, rest assured, I will never catch the same flight as you!

 

[Melburnian1]

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QF63 from SYD to JNB is timetabled ex the former at 1055 but today it did not depart until 1801 - seven hours, six minutes late. This one occuurrence will 'cruel' the expertflyer.com or flightstats.com calculation of on time performance as an 'outlier' statistic.

It is therefore not due in JNB until an estimated 2255, six hours and 40 minutes late. I do not know if VH-OEE was substituted today for a defective B744, but that is the rego of the operating aircraft.

For any AFFer who is catching the return flight (QF64) in JNB that is timetabled to pull out at 1815 tonight local time, it is not forecast to depart until 0045 on Wednesday morning 23 October 2013 (which is 0945 Wednesday morning AEDT), with a predicted arrival at STD of 2045 AEDT on Wednesday evening, five and a half hours late. This revised schedule assumes that the flight will pick up an hour between JNB and SYD. but the same flight on Sunday 20 October only picked up 20 minutes gate to gate. No two days are identical, though.

Let's hope that it doesn't have any further substantial delays in JNB tonight local time, otherwise it will breach curfew on SYD tomorrow night or the crew may run out of duty hours.

 

[RB]

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QF63 from SYD to JNB is timetabled ex the former at 1055 but today it did not depart until 1801 - seven hours, six minutes late. This one occuurrence will 'cruel' the expertflyer.com or flightstats.com calculation of on time performance as an 'outlier' statistic.

It is therefore not due in JNB until an estimated 2255, six hours and 40 minutes late. I do not know if VH-OEE was substituted today for a defective B744, but that is the rego of the operating aircraft.

For any AFFer who is catching the return flight (QF64) in JNB that is timetabled to pull out at 1815 tonight local time, it is not forecast to depart until 0045 on Wednesday morning 23 October 2013 (which is 0945 Wednesday morning AEDT), with a predicted arrival at STD of 2045 AEDT on Wednesday evening, five and a half hours late. This revised schedule assumes that the flight will pick up an hour between JNB and SYD. but the same flight on Sunday 20 October only picked up 20 minutes gate to gate. No two days are identical, though.

Let's hope that it doesn't have any further substantial delays in JNB tonight local time, otherwise it will breach curfew on SYD tomorrow night or the crew may run out of duty hours.

Sorry but

 

[JessicaTam]

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Sorry but

You are not really sorry!

 

[JohnK]

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JohnK, rest assured, I will never catch the same flight as you!

No but I may catch the same flight as you!

My last few delays have been good ones. Waiting to see what is in store for me this Friday ex-OOL. :-|

 

[mannej]

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I wonder what knock on effect QF1's diversion to PER will have?

 

[castie]

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I wonder what knock on effect QF1's diversion to PER will have?

Seems to have left Perth already so running 3.5 hours late.
Cant see that being too much of an issue once it gets to London. Its scheduled to 7:40am so 1.5 hours late overall.

Any idea why the divert?

 

[mannej]

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Apparently medical - wasn't happy out of all days doing overtime we had a 380 divert here. Just climbing out now and is being followed by a couple of EK services to DXB from various AU ports

 

[Melburnian1]

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On Monday 18 November, QF1 departed SYD four hours and 12 minutes late at 2112, arriving London five minutes under four hours late at 1015 today.

This afternoon's QF1 has been delayed until 1000 on Wednesday 20 November with an estimated arrival time at LHR of 2235 on the same day, more than 16 hours late. In turn, one of QF2 or QF10 on Wednesday evening ex LHR will presumably be delayed as there would not normally be a spare A380 in LHR (if there was, the beancounters at QF might have some questions...)

Despite the 'spare' that is often in SYD, has QF temporarily 'run out' of A380s for the demands of its HKG, LAX and LHR routes in the next day or so?

These delays appear unconnected to the lSaturday night A380 diversion of which mannej earlier spoke, as the Sunday 17 November arrival of QF2 was only two hours 20 minutes late into LHR, quite a creditable performance given that it was unexpectedly on the ground in PER for just under two hours. It might however simply demonstrate that the timetable is slack.