Qantas Delays/Cancellations

[Melburnian1]

Your VIP son was fortunate in that QF11 was delayed a little less than predicted, Mogul, with departure on 10 December from SYD at 1220 (50 late) and expected LAX arrival improving to 0643, 23 minutes tardy.

 

[Flyerqf]

Qf12 had a long taxi of 2.5 hrs at JFK.

 

[mrsterryn]

Qf12 had a long taxi of 2.5 hrs at JFK.

Geez QF12 isn't doing very well of late
Of course now QF16 will have the ripple effect of being delayed.
Appears they are still holding QF12 LAX to SYD for the JFK component

 

[ayebee]

Qf12 had a long taxi of 2.5 hrs at JFK.

That is quite a track - looks like it went into the cargo area beyond T8 ... twice.

 

[Melburnian1]

Qf12 had a long taxi of 2.5 hrs at JFK.

Extraordinary, surely. Think of the kilograms of fuel burnt (c. 700kg per hour if I recall.)

Is there any reason you can isolate for this? Bad weather (although didn't a snowstorm bypass New York in the last day or so?)

QF12 on 9 December departed the JFK terminal at 1854; LAX arrival is said to be 2325 hours (1509 minutes behind schedule) with departure from LAX at 0030 on Sunday 10. SYD arrival is estimated as 1005, 95 minutes past the allotted.

Saturday 9 December's QF16 from LAX to BNE, the 2320 hours is delayed until an expected 0145 hours departure. This means BNE arrival at roughly 0915, two hours late. If it's much later it will delay the Monday 11 December 1120 hours QF15 from BNE back to LAX. Too early to be definitive as it's only 2247 in LAX as I write.

QF94 is sometimes allowed to punctually depart LAX in these situations, but 'it depends' on the seating availability of the three Oz east coast-bound QF night departures from LAX. On this occasion the 2205 hours QF94 is expected to push back at 0005 on Sunday 10 with MEL arrival on Monday 11 at about 1045, 105 minutes tardy. Again, too early to be exact, but QF93 tomorrow morning is certain to depart tardy.

 

[Melburnian1]

Continuing with Sunday 10 December, QF63 departed SYD later than predicted at 1427 hours, 172 late with JNB arrival estimated at 1815, only 100 minutes behind the timetable. Although yet to display on the QF website, QF64 should be able to commence pushback at around 2000 hours if all goes well, which would be 70 minutes late.

With QF94 on its way to MEL, an estimate for tomorrow's QF93 (11 December) is for it to get away at 1230 hours, 75 minutes behind schedule.

 

[jb747]

That is quite a track - looks like it went into the cargo area beyond T8 ... twice.

At JFK, when things are busy, they establish what amounts to Disney style queues on the taxiways...so going around the airport a couple of times isn't unusual. You can't wait at the gate, because they invariably want the gate to be open....and because the only way to join the queue is at the end!

The fuel burn is substantial....the 700 kgs M1 mentions is the APU's fuel burn (per hour). The engines are somewhat thirstier.

I've not seen this in snow conditions, only the summer thunderstorms, but it will be substantially the same....but with the added complexity of possibly needing to be de-iced. I doubt that it's a tidy or fast setup (unlike Toronto).

And throughout all of this, you just have to keep your fingers crossed that someone doesn't decide to exercise their right to go back to the bay. Not only would it take hours to actually get there, but it would almost certainly result in termination of the flight.

 

[ayebee]

I've not seen this in snow conditions, only the summer thunderstorms, but it will be substantially the same....but with the added complexity of possibly needing to be de-iced. I doubt that it's a tidy or fast setup (unlike Toronto).
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Given the snowstorm, hazard a guess de-icing was the issue.
I happened to look on FR24 when it was queued for 31L first time round, and it was #6 or 7.

Correction - realise now it was queued beside 31L but heading for 4L, maybe there were more in front ...

 

[Melburnian1]

jb747, great, most interesting summary. Very surprising that you've not experienced what was described.

On Monday 11 December 2017, QF93 (1115 hours MEL - LAX) is expected to depart three hours late. QF15 from BNE to the same is however expected to be on time (at 1120 AEST) as QF16 arrived at about 0912 hours this morning: while delayed, this has a far longer turnaround scheduled in BNE than the extremely close to minimum achievable in MEL for 'the 93/the 94' as one of our aviators so delightfully describes these flights as (almost giving them a human face.)

 

[Melburnian1]

In further on 11 December, QF63 from SYD to JNB (that has had quite a few delays lately) departed SYD at 1154, 19 late but a greater delayed arrival is the order of the day with the expectation 1725 hours, 50 late. This may marginally delay the overnight QF64's departure but one might expect it to pick up time en route to SYD.

QF93 departed MEL at 1429, 194 minutes late. LAX arrival is suggested as 0925 hours, 170 late. The QF website does not suggest that QF11 (0820 across the USA - LAX to JFK) will be delayed so QF93 'connectors' may find themselves on an AA flight. This may well be cheaper for QF than delaying 'the 11' (and consequently 'the 12, and perhaps flights back to Oz.)

It's not for nothing that airlines have staff in operations centres nutting these things out through well programmed software and great corporate knowledge.

 

[Must...Fly!]

It's not for nothing that airlines have staff in operations centres nutting these things out through well programmed software and great corporate knowledge.

In any ops area I've worked in, cost isn't taken in to account very often. Let others worry about that and re-write the policy tomorrow if needed. Attitude is very much we have a job to do, and it's to get things done safe and as quickly as possible with the (ever-changing) constraints given!

 

[Haplo]

QF 130 arriving into Sydney on December 10th. The flight landed 20 minutes prior to schedule but was forced to sit for an hour on the plane, and then on a bus to immigration. Would have preferred if we were told about the one hour delay immediately rather than drag it by five minute blocks

 

[Melburnian1]

QF 130 arriving into Sydney on December 10th. The flight landed 20 minutes prior to schedule but was forced to sit for an hour on the plane, and then on a bus to immigration. Would have preferred if we were told about the one hour delay immediately rather than drag it by five minute blocks

Did QF know? Or was this a case of another plane at a gate being ready to depart, and then at the last minute some event occurred to delay it?

 

[OATEK]

QF127 SYD-HKG today (12/12) was cancelled, and the passengers crammed in to QF117 (A380 VH-OQD). SIL was travelling staff and just managed to squeeze in at the last minute.

 

[Melburnian1]

On Monday 11 December, QF9 (2325 hours MEL - DXB) did not depart until Tuesday 12 at 0156 (the incoming QF10 had not arrived until 0003 hours, 158 late), with arrival in DXB at 0856 (146 late) and likely departure at 1045 (135 minute stardy. LHR arrival is estimated as 1445, 125 late.

 

[moa999]

SIL was travelling staff and just managed to squeeze in at the last minute.

Average loads if everyone including staff manage to fit

 

[Haplo]

Did QF know? Or was this a case of another plane at a gate being ready to depart, and then at the last minute some event occurred to delay it?

We were told there was issues with flights departing so all of the gates were full and they had issue clearing the backlog, and this was affecting all airlines

 

[docjames]

On Monday 11 December, QF9 (2325 hours MEL - DXB) did not depart until Tuesday 12 at 0156 (the incoming QF10 had not arrived until 0003 hours, 158 late), with arrival in DXB at 0856 (146 late) and likely departure at 1045 (135 minute stardy. LHR arrival is estimated as 1445, 125 late.

The inbound QF10 was delayed due to issues in London - initially late pushback to de-ice due to weather/deicing queues and then (apparently the captain made an overhead announcement) - a pax had spotted part of the wing that had been missed in the de-icing process so the whole lot had to be done again. After queuing again. Departure delayed circa 3hrs ex-lhr all up apparently. All stayed onboard during the delay.

 

[Melburnian1]

Wednesday 13 December sees QF19 (1225 hours SYD - MNL) departing at 1250 but arrival is more delayed at an expected 1840, 70 late.

The 1115 hours MEL - LAX departed 38 late; same day arrival is suggested as 0725, 50 minutes behind.

QF117 from SYD to HKG commenced pushing back 72 late at 1417 this afternoon. Predicted arrival should be at 2007 hours, 52 minutes behind schedule.

The SYD - PVG quite long flight, QF129 was 44 minutes tardy away at 1139; arrival should be 40 late at 1910 hours this evening local time.

 

[Flyerqf]

VH-OEI has been in HND since Sunday.