Qantas Delays/Cancellations

QF400 on Saturday 2 March 2019 has A332 VH-EBM and is the first MEL - SYD flight for the day. This scheduled 0600 hours departure did not take off until 0745, so arrival is an estimated 0857 hours, 72 late.

QF408, the 0700 hours on the same route (VH-EBF) was airborne at 0749 so a 40 minute late arrival at 0905 hours is expected.
 
This is the Pakistan NOTAM from 27Feb with a knock on from Kabul NOTAM

Most flights either rerouted via Muscat FIR making that congested air route even more so. Thai TG then took their ball home and cancelled all its flights to EU.

On that day significant delays occurred for flights that usually transit that airspace (or cancelled). See BA delays and cancellations for an example. Since then everyone tweaked their flight plans and have mitigated the delays significantly

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On Saturday 2 March 2019, QF79, the 0920 hours MEL - NRT departed half an hour late with arrival suggested as 1813 early this evening Japanese time, 33 late.

QF42 departed CGK on Friday 1 at 1908 hours, eight late but on Saturday arrived SYD at 0654, 39 minutes behind schedule. This was because A333 VH-QPJ was not airborne until 2015, so 67 minutes from pushing back at the gate until in the air. Much wasted fuel.

FR24 is displaying QF23, the 1030 hours SYD to BKK tomorrow (Sunday 3 March) as cancelled, but the Qantas site is not. One would hope the airline's site is the accurate one. milehighclub may be able to be enlighten us.
 
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Not significant now I think. I haven’t seen most of the flights transiting Pakistan but I get the feeling it has settled down.

That's what I thought too, but interestingly the Friday 1 March QF1 departed SIN three minute early at 2352, but LHR Saturday 2 arrival is displaying as 0735 hours, 80 late It flew just south of Chennai (Madras) and then significantly south of Mumbai (Bombay, BOM) that is not the usual route.
 
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The 1550 hours afternoon SYD - HKG, QF117, has been deferred until 1200 'high noon' on Saturday 2 March with arrival suggested as 1815 hours, 1200 minutes (20 hours) late.

Tonight's QF118, the 2335 hours redeye from HKG should push back at 2105 hours on Saturday 2 with arrival at 0920 hours on Sunday 3 instead of 1215 hours on Saturday 2....

The overnight delayed QF117D pushed back at 1208 hours with Saturday 2 March HKG arrival estimated as later than predicted above, at 1855 tonight. QF118D shoudl still push back at 2105 hours mid evening in Hong Kong.

A333 VH-QPH is the aircraft, which did not fly anywhere yesterday, suggesting it failed on 28 February.

The 1150 hours BNE - SIN (QF51) departed half an hour late so arrival has become a suggested 1827 hours, 32 late.
 
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That's what I thought too, but interestingly the Friday 1 March QF1 departed SIN three minute early at 2352, but LHR Saturday 2 arrival is displaying as 0735 hours, 80 late It flew just south of Chennai (Madras) and then significantly south of Mumbai (Bombay, BOM) that is not the usual route.

FR24 shows an ETA that's about 40 minutes late. You need to separate departure time (which is the time of push back), and airborne time. Whilst 20 minutes is the standard allowed time between push and airborne, it can extend well beyond that if there are delays for any reason. It also looks to have been held at FL320 for much longer than you'd want...so that has the effect of burning more fuel, and losing time. Beyond that, it's a standard route over Iran, and was often used by choice, depending upon the weather.
 
FR24 shows an ETA that's about 40 minutes late. You need to separate departure time (which is the time of push back), and airborne time. Whilst 20 minutes is the standard allowed time between push and airborne, it can extend well beyond that if there are delays for any reason. It also looks to have been held at FL320 for much longer than you'd want...so that has the effect of burning more fuel, and losing time. Beyond that, it's a standard route over Iran, and was often used by choice, depending upon the weather.

No, on this occasion, as can be the case, FR24 is wrong (although unusually, it is underestimating the delay, not overestimating that it tends to do far more often).

I used the QF website as my source for this one.

This flight departed SIN on Friday night at 2352 hours but did not take off until 0052 hours on Saturday 2 March.

I'm well aware that departure time is the time of pushback, while arrival time is at gate, not when an aircraft lands, as the latter is nice to know and evidence of good work by all concerned but not when passengers are about to be able to alight.

You've previously stated that for larger aircraft, 20 to 25 minutes is the time allowed in a schedule for pushback to becoming airborne, so yes, on this occasion that process chewed up an extra 32 to 37 minutes.

At 1741 AEDT this afternoon (0641 hours UK time) on Saturday 2 March, QF1 (A388 VH-OQL) was a little south of Aachen, Germany, so there's no way it's only 40 minutes late compared to its scheduled 0615 hours arrival.

I however omitted to add five minutes to what the QF website shows as the landing time of 0735, so as to allow for the taxi time to the gate, a subject that you have previously discussed with me and agreed that five minutes was a reasonable allowance (not 100 per cent accurate, of course).

So if arrival is at 0740, that will be 85 late.

On many occasions, I check these estimated arrival times via multiple websites and am suspicious of FR24 because for whatever reason it exaggerates delays, particularly for international flights.

In contrast, airline websites (while subject to revision as flights unexpectedly are placed in holds) and FlightAware seem to be more accurate. The above, however, in underestimating a delay is unusual for FR24.

UPDATE: The flight arrived at its gate at 0728 hours, 73 minutes behind schedule.
 
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Was following today’s QF94 arrival (28/2 departure) and got the Qantas sms updates.

Booked with Sched dep 2255 arr 950

Ping 1 about 90m before sched departure

Flight QF94 is rescheduled to depart from Los Angeles at 23:15 on Thu 28 Feb 2019.


Pings 2,3&4 just after departure about 5-10m apart

Flight QF94 from Los Angeles departed at 23:17 on Thu 28 Feb 2019 and is scheduled to arrive in Melbourne at 09:50 on Sat 2 Mar 2019.

Flight QF94 is rescheduled to arrive in Melbourne at 09:29 on Sat 2 Mar 2019.

Flight QF94 is rescheduled to arrive in Melbourne at 10:02 on Sat 2 Mar 2019.

Ping 5 about 5hrs pre-arrival

Flight QF94 is rescheduled to arrive in Melbourne at 10:10 on Sat 2 Mar 2019.

Ping 6&7 came almost simultanously (fortunately!) about 20m pre-arrival

Flight QF94 is rescheduled to arrive in Melbourne at 12:33 on Sat 2 Mar 2019.

Flight QF94 is rescheduled to arrive in Melbourne at 10:13 on Sat 2 Mar 2019.

Ping 8 (final)

Flight QF94 landed in Melbourne at 10:08 on Sat 2 Mar 2019.


So I assume Qantas has a feed of some sort from the aircraft with updated arrival times in-flight, and has some other type of scheduling pre-departure (? from flight planning??)

The 6th&7th were interesting to me - a 1230 resched and an immediate update - would that be the flight crew checking alternates or something else? Fat finger on something? Just haven’t seen that sequence before.

I’d love a day behind the scenes at flight planning / operations - would be fascinating (and intermittently highly stressful no doubt).
 
Was following today’s QF94 arrival (28/2 departure) and got the Qantas sms updates...I’d love a day behind the scenes at flight planning / operations - would be fascinating (and intermittently highly stressful no doubt).

On days when there's adverse weather and many flights to monitor, it may well be constantly highly stressful.

Doubtless they're expected to be "professional" but does shouting erupt when someone fails to work efficiently and misses something that in turn holds up an aircraft further?
 
On Saturday 2 March 2019, B789 VH-ZNB arrived on QF50 at 0648 hours, only three minutes late at 0648 hours.

However its next duty, the late afternoon QF9 (MEL - PER - LHR) did not push back until 2057 hours, 232 late. The PER stop is predicted as 2140 to 2305 hours, the latter an expected 205 late (Sunday 3) with LHR arrival at 0835 hours, 210 late.

Friday 1's QF16 (VH-ZNE) departed LAX at 2336 hours, only 16 minutes late and was airborne at 0005 hours on Saturday. Sunday BNE arrival should be 59 late at 0814 hours, leaving plenty of time to form a punctual QF15 back over to LAX.

QF74 is often timely but Friday's (B744 VH-OEG) pushed back in SFO at 2118 hours, 43 late with arrival at 0658, 48 late the Sunday 3 prediction.
 
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The overnight delayed QF118D from HKG to SYD arrived on Sunday 3 March at 0919 hours, 1274 minutes late. A333 VH-QPH is endeavouring to turn around quickly and operate the QF Asian flight that has the worst punctuality record, QF23, the scheduled 1030 hours SYD to BKK that today is displaying as likely to depart only 10 minutes late.

UPDATE: Pushback for QF23 was at 1058 with arrival suggested as 1633 hours, 23 late.
 
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QF19, the 1225 hours SYD - MNL was earlier on Sunday 3 March displaying as punctual, but departure has been delayed until 1330 hours, meaning expected at gate arrival becomes 1830, an hour behind.

This will mean QF20 is unable to depart MNL tonight until 1945 hours, 45 late.

These flights are not delayed as often as QF23/QF24 SYD - BKK and return, but 'the 19' and 'the 20' are not among QF's most punctual Asian offerings.

On Saturday 2 March, QF10 departed LHR 63 late at 1258 hours so Sunday 3 PER anticipated arrival has become 1335 hours, 50 late. In turn, the second sector should depart PER at 1450, 35 late with MEL evening arrival expected at 2120, half an hour behind. However the second stage often picks up time on a gate-to-gate basis so if all goes well, it may be less late than indicated.

UPDATE: A332 VH-EBQ is on QF19. It was airborne at 1341 hours, about 45 - 50 late.
 
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Later on 3 March, B738 VH-VYG on QF759, the 1355 hours from SYD across to ADL was airborne at 1505. Resultant arrival should be at 1620 hours, 50 late.
 
...On Saturday 2 March, QF10 departed LHR 63 late at 1258 hours so Sunday 3 PER anticipated arrival has become 1335 hours, 50 late. In turn, the second sector should depart PER at 1450, 35 late with MEL evening arrival expected at 2120, half an hour behind. However the second stage often picks up time on a gate-to-gate basis so if all goes well, it may be less late than indicated....

QF10 was in PER from 1334 to 1457 hours on Sunday 3 March, with expected MEL arrival at 2125, 35 late.

QF49, the 2235 hours MEL - SFO is as a result delayed by 15 minutes in its departure according to QF, but that seems a bit optimistic.

VH-XZB (B738) on QF625, the 1510 hours BNE down to MEL was in the sky at 1629, so arrival is at 1935 hours, 65 minutes tardy.

The HBA to MEL QF1016 (B738 VH-VXC, the 1750 hours airborne at 1830 is arriving at 1941 hours, 36 late.
 
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Monday 4 March 2019 sees QF50 from SFO to MEL (B789 VH-ZNC) arriving at a suggested 0839, 114 minutes late although at 0810 it was holding above Mt Buller.

The NRT down to MEL QF80 has A333 VH-QPG with this 1920 hours scheduled Sunday evening flight taking off at 2038, meaning arrival at a predicted 0842 hours, 42 late.

QF505, the 0605 hours BNE to SYD took off at a much delayed 0743 so arrival for B738 VH-VZA is 0959, 79 late, no doubt annoying to many business travellers on board with 0930 or 1000 Sydney CBD Monday morning appointments. Not a good look to turn up late!

Southbound QF461 from SYD to MEL (B738 VH-XZE), the 0845 hours took off at 0940 so predicted at gate arrival is 1055, 35 minutes tardy.
 
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On Sunday 3 March, the scheduled Saturday 2 2230 hours LAX to SYD QF12 (A388 VH-OQG) departed at 0040 hours, so Monday 4 arrival is expected at 1036, 121 minutes late. The unpunctuality was despite the connecting BB789-operated JFK - LAX QF12 only arriving 11 minute slate at 2106 on Saturday mid evening.
 
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