Qantas-Emirate flying mess via Dubai

[eminere]

I would really like to know the major US company so I can divest immediately. Clearly they have poor risk management practices.

Maybe Siri works for Apple?

 

[medhead]

My issue isn't the number of words or the length of the [-]senses[/-] sentences. It is the sentence construction, or lack thereof. Point taken about the potential for english being a second or third or even fourth language. But often such a situation means people take more care in their writing.

<redacted>. App warn me 3 hrs before syd-melbourne flight which I think, was around 7 pm. Thats gives almost no window for second guess.
Qantas used to warn via SMS when this happened and I have been there so many times. But this time no sms and nothing. BTW Directors some time go economy if bus or 1st is fully booked. This conference is global and 60K+ plus travel from all over the world. I was busy in Tokyo and completely forgot to book the flight and hotels were booked 6 months ago by corp.
BTW, I always write short and hate writing long senses like lawyers do, well lawyers are paid by the number of words they write but we are tech people. People that travel extensively will only understand these issues.
One hr or two hr meeting after the flight is nothing new and it is norm for us. Once I went to US west coast had a meeting and took night flight. Thats a kind of travel we do.
I suppose I am mad since flying Qantas via Singapore used to be fun but we lost that and now BA take the 2nd leg.

 

[defurax]

I still don't get the problem with DXB as a transit point. If you were happy in the past flying MEL/SYD-SIN-LHR-AMS with the LHR-AMS on BA, you can still book MEL/SYD-DXB-LHR-AMS, you don't have to take an EK flight in DXB. That's what I do when I fly Y to Europe because I don't want to fly Y in an EK777. Sure it's not the fastest way to get there, but you are admitting that you used to be happy to fly QF to London via SIN and then connect on a BA flight.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Clearly they have poor risk management practices.

Risk management in terms of the flight timings and arrival time before the meeting?

What the OP describes is not unusual in that respect. Friend of mine works in Asia for a major german company... they fly monthly from Hong Kong to arrive 6 or 7am in FRA and be in scheduled meetings by 9.

Isn't that the whole point of flying business or first class with full beds? That you can get a good rest and hit the ground running to go to work? Not build in half a day in case your flight is late.

 

[Ausbt]

I would really like to know the major US company so I can divest immediately.

It's a Popcorn manufacturer and this thread is just drumming up a little extra business. Smart marketing!

 

[Awesom Andy]

I still can't see what the problem is exactly. Let's have a hypothetical: you found out via your app that your SQ flight to SIN was 8 hours, and you'll miss your connection (and meeting in AMS)...

 

[get me outta here]

The only intelligent thing I can add, is that some of the posts in this thread are very amusing and quite entertaining.

 

[juddles]

Finding it hard to believe that someone with 50 years travelling experiences gets all wound up with a fairly humdrum event?????? God, I wouldn't get half as excited if the airline STOLE my luggage and sold it on ebay.

Seriously, a "director of a humungous US company" with no fewer than "50 years travelling experience" is upset that a certain duty free shop was more expensive than a normal retailer????

This is absolute codswallop.

But I read the entire thread as it amused me

 

[juddles]

...It seems it took you a long time to realise you don't like flying QF considering you are QF LTG. ....

More confusion - I am inept at linking posts, but doing my small bit of research the OP was complaining in April this year regarding the benefits accorded to him as a QF Silver FF.

Maybe the maths does stack up - 50 years as silver would get you to QF LTG.

Maybe....

 

[juddles]

After reading some of his other posts, I have identified the inherent issue here.....

 

[juddles]

It is this....

 

[SeatBackForward]

After reading some of his other posts, I have identified the inherent issue here.....

The suspense is killing me.

 

[juddles]

The suspense is killing me.

sorry SBF, my next post took a while - but ended up before yours

 

[medhead]

Maybe Siri works for Apple?

I was waiting for someone to say that, I had to do the maths. I think a join date of 2006 would predate iPhone. :?: Perhaps the OP should be using some of those lawyers to sue Apple for taking their ID.

 

[SeatBackForward]

sorry SBF, my next post took a while - but ended up before yours

I'm not sure to laugh or to cry.

 

[ComeFlyWithMe]

Risk management in terms of the flight timings and arrival time before the meeting?

What the OP describes is not unusual in that respect. Friend of mine works in Asia for a major german company... they fly monthly from Hong Kong to arrive 6 or 7am in FRA and be in scheduled meetings by 9.

Isn't that the whole point of flying business or first class with full beds? That you can get a good rest and hit the ground running to go to work? Not build in half a day in case your flight is late.

If that's the way you wish to do business, and have the other party deal with the disappointment when you don't arrive on time, go for it. Personally I'd upset my customers and potentially lose them if I pulled such a stunt. Airlines are not infallible, heck, some even are at pains to point out that schedule forms no part of their contract of carriage.

Luckily I own my company, but I wouldn't subject staff to such rubbish as an ultra long haul journey with 2 hours between arrival and first meeting. Good way to burn people out by the age of 40. And yes, I've seen all those burnt out types on SYD-BNE vv commutes over the last many years. Sucks to be them.

 

[RichardMEL]

I have been flying more than 50 yrs global and 10 yrs almost every week overseas... So I know how this works. Some

but you clearly DON'T. Nobody with any thing close to that level of experience would PLAN to arrive under 2 hours before a meeting start(an annual conference I believe you wrote, so hardly a time critical must see important person meeting lined up at the last minute). Further, nobody would plan to fly 20+ hours to said event with such a small margin - most would, as have posted, plan to arrive if not the day/evening before to be rested, then that morning.

Further, someone with such a level of experience would know that delays and issues occur on *EVERY* airline. You claim to be an "United Exe" in your profile. I'm not sure what that is. maybe the old Premier Executive level, which long ago was replaced with Gold, but I digress... anyone who's flown with UA at all would know this more than some other airlines.

I would also argue that QF not calling you at noon for a scheduled late evening departure just MAY have been planning something else - an aircraft sub for example(I am not sure form where for a 380), or perhaps to put pax on the EK407 out of MEL etc.

Also in your OP you suggested your work colleagues told you the MEL-DXB flight was delayed, then later you said "app" - which? the QF app? some other app? what?

Further you noted you called QF "FF" to re-book. were you on a paid or award ticket? if the later, then that you got rebooked onto EK out of SYD was a miracle imho. If the former, why did you call FF and not QF reservations, or as a LTG QF Premium? (perhaps I am misunderstanding your original post)

As a SQ PPS, why did you not just cancel QF and try SQ? I htink they still serve AMS and you could have gotten the afternoon flight to SIn then onto AMS.

As for DXB Duty Free, which has nothing to do with QF at all, I'd just say that personally the alcohol prices, for some items, are VERY VERY good but really it's up to people to do their own research and shop around. I think that has nothing to do with your complaint anyway.

Again, people who travel so much would have their own experiences and preferences of where to get what. Some places are better for different things.

 

[RichardMEL]

<redacted>. App warn me 3 hrs before syd-melbourne flight which I think, was around 7 pm. Thats gives almost no window for second guess.

What's with the redacted stuff?

I'm confused again. First you said you knew at noon, now it's more like 4pm?

and this app? if it was the QF app then QF *have* notified you!! How is this different to a SMS?

 

[RichardMEL]

Well this thread has been very amusing really but since the story seems to change from post to post it's all a bit hard to make out the reality of the situation.

I will say this, it's admitted that this conference was forgotten about till the last minute. That's not the problem of any airline. Further as s consequence hotels and flights were harder to find - again, not their fault (just ask anyone trying to go MEL-PER this weekend for the footy ). Someone scheduled what probably on paper seems reasonable, but a delay happened (not unknown), pax calls airline and gets moved to a flight to make the connection and thus the conference... so all's well right?

seems the core beef is lack of contact from QF right? yet at first it was noon, then maybe 4pm that the "app" (not sure which one, from which provider) notified of an issue. Experienced passengers as we all are do this sort of thing anyway and monitor or flights so all good. contact with QF was made, flight changed.

Also how long the delay of QF9 was or anticipated ot bem and how many DXB-AMS options there were post the flight's anticipated arrival time. I mean, it could well have been QF9 would have arrived for a connection 3 hours later arriving AMS around 4. That would not be a HUGE delay in the grand scheme of things. Not fun for sure, but not end of the world stuff right? QF9 could have left 90min late and made up 60min in the air due to padded schedules. There's so much here that isn't known and just statements being made that seem to shift that it's possible QF was waiting to see how bad any delay would be before making a call. I mean I think originally the connection was 3 hours, so you'd expect if QF9 was expected to leave MEL over 3 hours late that could be an issue. Was it? i don't know. If it was projected to be a quick turn and get the plane there say 90min-2 hours late, then the AMS flight could have been made so why would QF call?

I think some pertinent facts are missing and the end result was no problem anyway (except for the in your face seats and the horrible duty free, though if one had time to shop at DXB duty free in transit clearly there was no real hurry )

What else am I missing? oh yes the popcorn. pity I'm on a diet

 

[mannej]

What's with the redacted stuff?

There were a number of not so subtle personal attacks from the OP, hence the redacted content.

I'm confused again. First you said you knew at noon, now it's more like 4pm?

and this app? if it was the QF app then QF *have* notified you!! How is this different to a SMS?

You and me both. The story keeps changing and there seems to be a lot of holes in each post. At the end of the day the OP arrived at AMS on the original EK flight, so I don't know what the hissy fit is about.