Qantas FF - Poor earn for Malayasian airlines Adelaide to Kuala Lumpur

[sxc]

Yep, this is all related to the Emirates partnership hence flights from Australia to Asia and asia to europe getting the bad treatment

However MH is treated worse than BA for example.

 

[Vic]

However MH is treated worse than BA for example.

They're all about half (or less) of what you'd earn on Qantas for status

 

[moa999]

I suspect an element was to do with perceived deeply discounted fares from MH to Asia, which is natural given they are competing with Air Asia D7 and Malindo OD.

 

[RichardMEL]

Very good point given MH have always and still do offer very discounted fares, even in J (and what used to be F).

And yes, earnings on different partners are far from equal which i find very frustrating. I mean in my view if one is a oneworld member it should be all treated the same, yet it's clear AY fing gets better treatment than QR and definitely MH.. CX seems about 50/50 with BA. I could understand EK being a different beast and then you have the odds and ends like FJ or the NZ t/t hookup that make things extra complicated.

Really though the way QF treat oneworld partners, for whatever reasons, is annoying and far from simpler and fairer that's for sure. I can understand wanting to make it far more beneficial to fly your own metal or at least codeshares for your revenue but the weird collections of differeing rates is just mind boggling to me.

An airline like UA, while there are some weird exceptions, in general just about ALL the Star Alliance partners hav more or less equal earnings in the vast majority of booking classes.

Again this is QF taking advantage of (or trying to anyway) it's dominance here in Oz to manipulate things to their best advantage while the customer loses out.

 

[sxc]

They're all about half (or less) of what you'd earn on Qantas for status

My point is if you compare SYD to LHR, MH is treated even worse than other partners on similar route. This indicates a specific move by QF to disincentify flying on MH compared to other oneworld carriers

MH - 90 SC
QR - 110
BA - 120 SC
CX - 120 SC
QF - 205 SC

In business class.

 

[Falcs]

They're all about half (or less) of what you'd earn on Qantas for status

MH is the only airline where J flights are treated as (Flex) Y and Flex Y is treated as Discount Y for flights to/from Europe and Oceana for SC earn. Effectively turns it into 1/4 QF earn.

 

[oz_mark]

For those looking for meaning, it is worth noting the MH return the favour if you are crediting Qantas to Enrich.

 

[AustraliaPoochie]

Not forgetting too that EK and QF were very best of friends at one time, and EK did carry the/a QF flight number MEL - KUL, as one time EK flew this route, and so, QF of course wanting people to fly with their best friends, so, if a person at that time wanted the full SC worth, they would have flown ADL - MEL (QF), MEL - KUL (EK with a QF flight number).
Of course, in the mean time, EK stopped MEL - KUL flights.
NOW to earn the full worth, its ADL - MEL (QF) in J, MEL - SIN (QF) in J, SIN - KUL with 3K in Y, not cheap.
I would have thought we have talked about J seating on MH earning low QF SC for a long time and that everyone knew this.

 

[Vic]

MH is the only airline where J flights are treated as (Flex) Y and Flex Y is treated as Discount Y for flights to/from Europe and Oceana for SC earn. Effectively turns it into 1/4 QF earn.

Sure, but as others have noted it's not like Qantas treats any partner well.

I've had a look back at my MH flights and I'm struggling to understand how I've earned. for example Sydney to Paris business got me 140 status credits. This matches the pre-October 2017 earn for sydney to KL at 60 in business, but 80 for the KL to Paris should be 100 from the same table. 50 for a KL to Sydney a year later, again that isn't economy but also isn't business.

But then looking that all up has reminded me of a little trick that was rather good. Another reason for qantas to crack down on MH.

BTW none of the points for these flights matches the earning tables.

 

[Falcs]

They've changed the earning schedule a few times over the years so it's hard to say but MH stopped flying to Paris a while back so that would be out of date.

Right now MH J from East Coast Aus-KL is 60 SC and KL-Europe is 120 SC. Since MH credits J as Flex Y, you get 30 and 60, ie. 90 SC for a one way business class trip to Europe. Thats roughly half of another oneworld airline and close to a quarter of Qantas.

 

[serfty]

There was also the incorrect earn for KUL-BKK that was only fixed last year.

 

[Vic]

They've changed the earning schedule a few times over the years so it's hard to say but MH stopped flying to Paris a while back so that would be out of date.

True, about stopping flights. But the qantas earn table is between western europe and malaysia. paris =london.

Right now MH J from East Coast Aus-KL is 60 SC and KL-Europe is 120 SC. Since MH credits J as Flex Y, you get 30 and 60, ie. 90 SC for a one way business class trip to Europe. Thats roughly half of another oneworld airline and close to a quarter of Qantas.

Your first sentence is not correct. No point quoting the business earn category, as it does not apply to Aus to KL, KL europe flights. The reasons for this difference in earn have been covered, Qantas, despite sponsoring MH into oneworld, hate MH. And probably vice versa.

 

[Falcs]

True, about stopping flights. But the qantas earn table is between western europe and malaysia. paris =london.

My point is the tables have changed over the years and your flight to Paris would have been at least 3 years ago so it's no surprise you can't reconcile what you earnt against the current earning tables.

Your first sentence is not correct. No point quoting the business earn category, as it does not apply to Aus to KL, KL europe flights. The reasons for this difference in earn have been covered, Qantas, despite sponsoring MH into oneworld, hate MH. And probably vice versa.

According to the "simpler and fairer" tables, the J earn categories exist. It's just an added complication that Qantas has defined a J flight as Flex Y for the purposes of earning points and Status credits. Which is basically the answer to the OPs question

 

[sxc]

They've changed the earning schedule a few times over the years so it's hard to say but MH stopped flying to Paris a while back so that would be out of date.

Right now MH J from East Coast Aus-KL is 60 SC and KL-Europe is 120 SC. Since MH credits J as Flex Y, you get 30 and 60, ie. 90 SC for a one way business class trip to Europe. Thats roughly half of another oneworld airline and close to a quarter of Qantas.

Sorry to be a pedant but 90/205 is closer to 45%. How do you get to 25%?

 

[Falcs]

Sorry to be a pedant but 90/205 is closer to 45%. How do you get to 25%?

How are you getting 205? Should be 280-310

 

[sxc]

How are you getting 205? Should be 280-310

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Oh I’m sorry. For some reason when I was searching sector by sector I got a total of 205. Must have been a mistake I made when changing between sectors and airlines.

 

[Cafe Specific]

Sorry I'm having trouble following this discussion. Is it correct to assume the QF earn table is wrong because ADL-HKG (for example) in business class only earns as flexible economy and that the business and first earn rates should be removed?

 

[Falcs]

This is specific to MH - booking classes ACDFIJZ are all business or first class tickets, and in the table you can see a business class ticket from Sydney to KL should earn 60 SC.

However Qantas has made an executive decision that they will only award points and status credits based on the flexible economy earn category. I suppose it gets down to semantics a bit.

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[AustraliaPoochie]

ADL - PER with QF, and I think I saw that CX PER - HKG carries a QF code, meaning you would earn the same QF SC as if you were flying a QF aircraft, if you like CX type of service.
ADL - HKG does not carry the QF code, but as mentioned above, it will earn more in any fare earning class than flying MH ADL - KUL - HKG.
Yes, transferring in PER from T4 QF to T1 CX takes a bit of time, but if earning QF SC is important, and you need to be go to HKG, and have the leeway to go via PER, then thats the trick.
Edit: its QF8237 if you want to have a look, airbus350.

 

[BD1959]

The irony here is - of course - that since MH has gone through its restructure, the days of discount J to LHR are few and far between. Typically you see MH fares up around the same prices as a QF J return, not down in the sub $6k bracket that they were when (first) QF was awarding similar SCs but then reduced them to their current levels due to "simpler and fairer"-bundled excuse for the Desert Deal.

The fact is though, QF would rather you earnt points and SCs with them (through cash fares) and spent them at (at least) higher redemption rates on partners - this long held strategy is fairly self-evident - as is the fact that QF can dictate both ends of the QFF-point currency; both it's purchase value and it's sale value. After all, that's how Qantas Loyalty contribute so significantly to the QF Group bottom line.

Regards,

BD