All I can say is that the Commonwealth and State Governments have been actively recruiting Asians and anyone else to do my job for years.Its a global economy.Thats life.
All I can say is that the Commonwealth and State Governments have been actively recruiting Asians and anyone else to do my job for years.Its a global economy.Thats life.
Just about every other worker in Australia seems to handle this everyday occurrence pretty well. Many have had their industry (forestry, dairy, textile, manufacturing, farmers - and the list goes on) eliminated or ripped apart due to regulatory change, competition, unproductive work practices & agreements.
What I want to know it what is special about Qantas employees?
For me - it's not about ALP v Libs or union bashing. If protective mechanism are seen as critical for QF workers than all Australian workers should receive the same benefit.
This contradicts your earlier post. Provide a link to these reports that you claim happened.
I only saw it on several TV news reports on multiple channels. If that is not 'reported widely' then our definitions are quite different. It does not have to have been read in a newspaper to qualify IMHO.Where? Because the Australian wrote "Qantas terminated conciliation talks with 2 unions and a third also opted for arbitration". That may mean that 2 unions wanted to continue negotiations. Unfortunately the article does not go on to inform that question.
Not as widely reported as you suggest if it is not in the National newspaper.
Sent from my iPhone using Aust Freq Fly app so please excuse the lack of links.
The special thing about Qantas employees is that they have a Union. This is why the Chamber of Commerce and the Libs are so keen on removing collective bargaining. Collective bargaining means that the employed group have a slightly stronger hand in negotiations with an employer than "Individual bargaining".
From an employee's perspective, Individual bargaining is possibly a better model if you have a specialized or unique skill, and if you have a reasonably higher level of education (and some confidence). If however, you are in a functional and readily replaceable role than Collective bargaining can probably represent your interests better.
Now, let's say in a workforce of 7000, perhaps 1000 jobs are going to be offshored (and/or sub-contracted out to a lower paying shell company) then the 7000 employees will most likely vote (via their Union) to display their displeasure at the misfortune about to befall their 1000 colleagues. The remaining 6000 do this because they know that if/when the gun is now turned onto themselves, they hope for similar support from the collective. This also hopefully explains to the other (ideologically over-invested) posters how their bags will be unloaded in Melbourne.:shock: (I'm shocked that I had to explain this)
Will the workers/pilots win; probably not. But all those people sacked/made redundant in other industries (to which you refer) did not really have anyone sticking up for them - they just got bullied out the door. So, I like to cut the Qantas workers some slack, because ultimately they will be unemployed and that is sad. But if they can take a pound of flesh from QF management and have some dignity intact on the way out the door, then I won't begrudge them that. And I like to defend them in my small way against posters like yourself who seem to be devoid of compassion to their plight.
I only saw it on several TV news reports on multiple channels. If that is not 'reported widely' then our definitions are quite different. It does not have to have been read in a newspaper to qualify IMHO.
Sorry don't quite see the contradiction. As for providing links for my claims, maybe you can do the same.
Will the workers/pilots win; probably not. But all those people sacked/made redundant in other industries (to which you refer) did not really have anyone sticking up for them - they just got bullied out the door. So, I like to cut the Qantas workers some slack, because ultimately they will be unemployed and that is sad. But if they can take a pound of flesh from QF management and have some dignity intact on the way out the door, then I won't begrudge them that. And I like to defend them in my small way against posters like yourself who seem to be devoid of compassion to their plight.
To simplify this as you have missed the point.And yet not widely enough to be in a newspaper. I think I've bolded the operative word - only. Widely - "to a large degree in nature or character". IMO being limited to one form of media is rather narrow.
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And yet not widely enough to be in a newspaper. I think I've bolded the operative word - only. Widely - "to a large degree in nature or character". IMO being limited to one form of media is rather narrow.
You don't see the contradiction in saying that (only) one union wanted to continue negotiations and then changing your view when I quote from The Australian? Ok then.
As for a link have a read of the next paragraph. Then type Cookies must be enabled | The Australian into a web browser and look for aviation. Of course, I did also directly quote my source. Still waiting for a link or even a quote to support you claims.
Surely you mean Asian Austalians.
Ok so a couple of problems here. Firstly, your repeating Joyce's version of events. That is Joyce's version of the meaning of job security claim. Strangely enough it is an extreme version and it does not match the pilot's version. There is little point in just repeating one side of the story, ignoring the other side and not trying to to weight up both sides to make a judgement.
Secondly, I'm not sure how negotiation works for you; but normally it doesn't involve making a claim and then making a counter offer to your own claim.
That's not Joyces claim this is AIPA's claim, they are the ones who want a Qantas pilot on a Qantas flight. As for negotiation, how do you negotiate a claim like this?
No.It takes them a few years to get that title.I mean straight off the plane from Asia,Africa etc.Surely you remember Bundaberg Hospital.
The special thing about Qantas employees is that they have a Union.
But all those people sacked/made redundant in other industries (to which you refer) did not really have anyone sticking up for them - they just got bullied out the door. So, I like to cut the Qantas workers some slack, because ultimately they will be unemployed and that is sad. But if they can take a pound of flesh from QF management and have some dignity intact on the way out the door, then I won't begrudge them that. And I like to defend them in my small way against posters like yourself who seem to be devoid of compassion to their plight.
Now, let's say in a workforce of 7000, perhaps 1000 jobs are going to be offshored (and/or sub-contracted out to a lower paying shell company) then the 7000 employees will most likely vote (via their Union) to display their displeasure at the misfortune about to befall their 1000 colleagues. The remaining 6000 do this because they know that if/when the gun is now turned onto themselves, they hope for similar support from the collective. This also hopefully explains to the other (ideologically over-invested) posters how their bags will be unloaded in Melbourne.:shock: (I'm shocked that I had to explain this)
The question is how many more will their actions take down with them. Could be the whole company.
Yes I am :!:Is it just me or is anybody else dizzy from going round in circles so much?
Is it just me or is anybody else dizzy from going round in circles so much?