Qantas flight cutbacks ?

[I love to travel]

Cutting flights to/from CBR due to a certain party cutting back on PS staff?

No real policies on that from either side yet.

 

[ozfflyer]

yes FJ, but last time FJ did $750, QF came out with $949 within 24 hours, same dates. No one except the airlines themselves, knows exactly how many seats at these crazy prices. Can't continue. Something has to give.

BTW, I'd much rather get a $762 fare on FJ & upgrade to business class on the NAN/LAX sector for something like $865 anyday, than fly QF.

 

[GoldCanyon340]

Lots of assumptions and wild hearsay bandied about here. QF responding to an FJ sale is called 'competition' and I assume was not during an election cycle so has no bearing on the original premise of this rather National Enquirer-style thread.

 

[dajop]

Somehow I suspect cuts to services won’t be because QF are selling a handful of economy seats on each for $950 instead of $1300 (if indeed they turn out to do this).

Cuts will be more likely if they are increasingly have to sell selling business class seats for $5000 instead of $8000 and premium economy for $2000 instead of $3500....

 

[Pushka]

How did my hot dog post end up here?

 

[GoldCanyon340]

Cuts will be more likely if they are increasingly have to sell selling business class seats for $5000 instead of $8000 and premium economy for $2000 instead of $3500....

....and probably immediately after a DSC offer at full prices.

 

[ozfflyer]

Somehow I suspect cuts to services won’t be because QF are selling a handful of economy seats on each for $950 instead of $1300 (if indeed they turn out to do this).

Cuts will be more likely if they are increasingly have to sell selling business class seats for $5000 instead of $8000 and premium economy for $2000 instead of $3500....

sign of the times. Get the impression no one is buying business class & everyone trying to upgrade.

Think about it, if you were a business owner or person in the company who approves business travel & been told to reduce travel expenses & you see $762 return SYD/LAX whereas usual last minute type fare is $3k+, then you might say to person wanting to fly, something along the lines, plan your trips earlier & fly at $762 or don't go. Even if you upgraded to business class on one long haul sector, that's probably $1600 ish total spend.

 

[Franky]

Cutting flights to/from CBR due to a certain party cutting back on PS staff?

Or on the other hand, the party that the OP referred to putting on yet more civil servants...

 

[MEL_Traveller]

You mean if the Liberals win and we all have less money, antas will cancel flights? But if Labour wins, and we all get more money in our pockets, and penalty rates restored, flights will sell more seats ('cause people have more cash) and FF seats will be educed? Sounds plausible

 

[MEL_Traveller]

sign of the times. Get the impression no one is buying business class & everyone trying to upgrade.

On Qantas? Possibly. Because their business class product isn't 'worth' the prices they charge. And their PE fares are out of all proportion to the value you get. It's the same price to fly full service business class to Europe on a reasonable airline - flat beds included - for much less than QF's PE.

So called full service airlines, trying to compete with LCCs & ULCCs are becoming pseudo LCCs & can't win with their much higher costs.

And yet the legacy carriers are the ones that are surviving. Their premium cabins allow them to offer the same prices as LCCs in economy, but still make money on the flight overall from their premium cabins and freight. WOW and Norwegian are suffering, BA and others are doing ok.

BA has as many as 86 business class seats TATL to New York and other popular destinations. Lufthansa has up to 80 business class seats on a flight (used to have as many as 99!). Those seats and cabins aren't there to fly empty. There is demans.

you are concerned about economy pricing, but you need to look at the overall profitability of a flight. Freight included. You look at airports like Shanghai and Tokyo, or major courier hubs like Louisville (UPS) - you'll see dozens of very large aircraft, even brand new 747-800s that have been purchased or leased simply to fly around cargo. Legacy carriers also have a share in this.

 

[Lynda2475]

I seriously doubt election result will haveany impact on airfares, its all about business demand as this is where airlines make their profits. Economy generally under performs when labour is in, which likely means less busines travel but not significantly so. Qantas' profits are definitely not dependent on the low income earner economy traeller who will get a few extra dollars a week under labour.

And we are not in a recession, we werent even ji a redession during the GFC which mostly impacted US and Europe.

 

[ozfflyer]

You mean if the Liberals win and we all have less money, antas will cancel flights? But if Labour wins, and we all get more money in our pockets, and penalty rates restored, flights will sell more seats ('cause people have more cash) and FF seats will be educed? Sounds plausible

if unions win lower house but clive controls senate, it could get interesting. Alp means less money not more. Higher penalty rates simply means less employment, when they apply.

 

[ozfflyer]

I seriously doubt election result will haveany impact on airfares, its all about business demand as this is where airlines make their profits. Economy generally under performs when labour is in, which likely means less busines travel but not significantly so. Qantas' profits are definitely not dependent on the low income earner economy traeller who will get a few extra dollars a week under labour.

And we are not in a recession, we werent even ji a redession during the GFC which mostly impacted US and Europe.

the economy is heading into the toilet. I get the impression the only people flying soon will be public servants.

 

[get me outta here]

Talk about simplistic. With all yr amateur economic speculation in this thread it’s hard to know where to start, so I won’t.

if unions win lower house but clive controls senate, it could get interesting. Alp means less money not more. Higher penalty rates simply means less employment, when they apply.

 

[ozfflyer]

batten down the hatches - it's going to be a very long & deep recession. Already many tradies/building workers can't find work. Plenty more on the dole soon.

 

[opusman]

A bigger problem for airlines is going to be oil prices skyrocketing again as many are tipping is about to happen.

 

[GoldCanyon340]

This is veering into troll-like territory so it's time for me to leave and enjoy a bottle of wine instead.

 

[pauly7]

Jesus, where do you live ? On the moon ?

In heaven if the book called the bible is to be believed, not the moon.

There is no recession (yet) in Australia so thought you may have been referring to another country. It was a genuine question.

I think some of your posts require a lot of fact checking, but will leave that to others

 

[33kft]

Prof. Steve Keen, is that you?

 

[Coops1]

Wowee, what a thread, popcorn is nearly empty and it’s not good for me.