Qantas getting read the riot act on Facebook

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With respect I run a business and fly as part of my business. I use points / miles to reduce my cost of flying. It is MY money I spend and I will spend it with who ever gives me the best reduction in my cost of flying by their offer of the best miles / lowest burn rate for the best earn rate that I can later use for free / lower cost flights to reduce my overall cost of flying.

I haven't agree with you a great deal but for this matter I'm on your side, for many people the points offered for a flight does come into the decision tree and is not just a bonus. I know a few people who are self employed who put the points back into the business.

The point i'm disagreeing with you is the following, as WP our earn rates and burn rates haven't changed. What has changed is that others are getting a bit more than before, BUT for WP it's still the same conditions over all AND AA, SG offerings have not changed either. So evaluating the WP's merit to all the other programs it still remains the same except for DJ's who are tweaking it.

For this reason I don't think you should change what you originally were doing based on the changes. IF QF had just announced that the burn rates are going to change for the worse then the WP proposition has weakened as oppose to staying still... then of course you'll leave if other programs are better. It's just that at this point in time very little has changed for the WP for QFF or other programs.
 

Yup that is the one. DJ are already in bed with a lot of the *Alliance members. Even though Tiger is SQ, they (SQ) have not worked the deal with Tiger as QF did with JQ, allowing JQ to act like a shadow of QF's OW mainstream membership.

I also suspect there is more to JQ changing the StarClass name to "Business" than upping their old *Class prices quite a bit.

So if any element of the Virgin group becomes a full fledged *Alliance member, I do suspect the big star will be on the right side of a few Australian domestic aircraft doors anytime real soon. With Virgin then able to offer QF FFs worldwide access to the *Alliance network, QF (OW) and DJ (*A) will engage in the battle royal for the Australian and International FF dollar.

As for me, I have taken a 5 way bet as I do enough flying to get WP equivalent with each. Joined AA, SQ, DJ and Malaysian ( who may be a outside long shot) in this race.

Oh BTW, I can buy Malaysian flights Adl/Bkk/Adl for LESS than what JQ now wants for their Adl/Bkk Business Max fare. AND I get a real Business class seat with a 56 inch seat pitch instead of the JQ 38 inch seat pitch. 4 return flights and I'm Malaysian Gold. Thanks JQ and QF for opening up my eyes.
 
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I'm a little confused around these discussions of DJ potentially joining *A?

Did JB not say in the press announcement on 23rd Feb that they are not looking to join an alliance, but to have a "Virtual Network"?

Link to presentation - see page 18 - specifically says "Not part of an alliance": http://www.asx.com.au/asx/statistics/displayAnnouncement.do?display=pdf&idsId=01153901

Now this could be another marketing strategy, but if it's gone to the ASX with their half year results I'd be surprised if the presentation is completely un-true, or the plan has suddenly changed in the last 3 months and they are now going to join *A.
 
As for me, I have taken a 5 way bet as I do enough flying to get WP equivalent with each. Joined AA, SQ, DJ and Malaysian ( who may be a outside long shot) in this race.

All you're achieving by splitting five ways is spreading points all over the place. Furthermore, you'll have to earn the lower rates and move into the high rates of earn for each which is reducing yield. On top of this you aren't able to maximise your points earn from CC's and hotel stays. So in the end you'll get less. Once you have lounge access at most airports getting a double up is of very little use.

Anyway basically that this reaction shows is that you're not economically rational in the pure sense (and not many people are as people are emotional). As stated earlier, nothing (very little) has changed for WP (in this new announcement) and nothing has changed for other programs out there. But because SG's yield has improved you're looking to change. This actually doesn't make sense. From your perspective each transaction is the same as before but because someone else is getting more of a benefit compared to you you're going to make a different decision.

What i've stated above there is economics in second year uni. Most people who only did first year only don't quite understand the logic above though the underlying theory through out economics is the same. Sorry to take the highbrow approach here but you just don't get it. You seem to be a business person running or looking after a business, maybe you come from the sales or trade side and worked your way up but I feel this basic economic theory and understanding is important for you and your business. If you make business transactions emotionally and to take revenge at another business you will be losing money (or not earning as much as you could).

Pick the best program for you other there and put your business into it. If you want to diversify then pick one other airline. Do the maths, model it out and work out per flight who gets you the best return on points you an put back into your business including CC spend as I'm sure that's a major expense as well. Splitting five ways will hurt you but make you feel better because in your head you're getting back at QF who feel you aren't as important as the J flying WP's (which you aren't).

Also these travel costs are taking money straight from your EBIT. I suggest you do an analysis on your customers and only frequently visit the profitable ones and reduce the visits to the less profitable.

Wait a minute I think this is what QF did when they recalibrated their QF program last week...

In the end I'm not saying I'm more intelligent than you, just that I have a commerce degree and i suspect you may not. I'm sure you're excellent at what you do, but what you're about to do with your FF programs is going to hurt you not improve your position. Reconsider (and i'm not saying stick with QF)
 
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All you're achieving by splitting five ways is spreading points all over the place. Furthermore, you'll have to earn the lower rates and move into the high rates of earn for each which is reducing yield. On top of this you aren't able to maximise your points earn from CC's and hotel stays. So in the end you'll get less. Once you have lounge access at most airports getting a double up is of very little use.

Anyway basically that this reaction shows is that you're not economically rational in the pure sense (and not many people are as people are emotional). As stated earlier, nothing (very little) has changed for WP (in this new announcement) and nothing has changed for other programs out there. But because SG's yield has improved you're looking to change. This actually doesn't make sense. From your perspective each transaction is the same as before but because someone else is getting more of a benefit compared to you you're going to make a different decision.

What i've stated above there is economics in second year uni. Most people who only did first year only don't quite understand the logic above though the underlying theory through out economics is the same. Sorry to take the highbrow approach here but you just don't get it. You seem to be a business person running or looking after a business, maybe you come from the sales or trade side and worked your way up but I feel this basic economic theory and understanding is important for you and your business. If you make business transactions emotionally and to take revenge at another business you will be losing money (or not earning as much as you could).

Pick the best program for you other there and put your business into it. If you want to diversify then pick one other airline. Do the maths, model it out and work out per flight who gets you the best return on points you an put back into your business including CC spend as I'm sure that's a major expense as well. Splitting five ways will hurt you but make you feel better because in your head you're getting back at QF who feel you aren't as important as the J flying WP's (which you aren't).

Also these travel costs are taking money straight from your EBIT. I suggest you do an analysis on your customers and only frequently visit the profitable ones and reduce the visits to the less profitable.

What a minute I think this is what QF did when they recalibrated their QF program last week...

Absolutely 100% correct. Couldn't agree more.
 
All you're achieving by splitting five ways is spreading points all over the place. Furthermore, you'll have to earn the lower rates and move into the high rates of earn for each which is reducing yield. On top of this you aren't able to maximise your points earn from CC's and hotel stays. So in the end you'll get less. Once you have lounge access at most airports getting a double up is of very little use.

Anyway basically that this reaction shows is that you're not economically rational in the pure sense (and not many people are as people are emotional). As stated earlier, nothing (very little) has changed for WP (in this new announcement) and nothing has changed for other programs out there. But because SG's yield has improved you're looking to change. This actually doesn't make sense. From your perspective each transaction is the same as before but because someone else is getting more of a benefit compared to you you're going to make a different decision.

I don't read it that way, the first point was to get/retain WP. So that is not a change in that regard, just that 4 other programs will also be on the radar as backups depending on future changes at qantas. (and for flights post WP retain) They certainly seem to have enough flights to support this course.

On the credit cards, Membership Rewards points can direct to SQ, DJ, AA via SPG and QF in some circumstances. I'm not sure about Malaysian. So depending on CC then it is possible to maximise points from credit cards - well as maximised as living in Australia allows.
 
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I don't read it that way, the first point was to get/retain WP. So that is not a change in that regard, just that 4 other programs will also be on the radar as backups depending on future changes at qantas. (and for flights post WP retain) They certainly seem to have enough flights to support this course.

On the credit cards, Membership Rewards points can direct to SQ, DJ, AA via SPG and QF in some circumstances. I'm not sure about Malaysian. So depending on CC then it is possible to maximise points from credit cards - well as maximised as living in Australia allows.

Surely five back ups is excessive? With all the flights to qualify for the elite level posting to individual accounts?
 
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