Qantas' Impending Change to Tokyo Flight Schedule

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[markis10]

With the issues with A330 engine availability and now the Finnair wet leases, I am not surprised at the lack of any announcement with the benefit of hindsight. The changes are looking like a thought bubble.

 

[elanshin]

With the issues with A330 engine availability and now the Finnair wet leases, I am not surprised at the lack of any announcement with the benefit of hindsight. The changes are looking like a thought bubble.

But there's only so much they can hold out for and apply for extensions. Completely possible Australia loses the slots to other countries the next time Japan looks at the slots again (although who knows with the current world trajectory).

 

[justinbrett]

With the issues with A330 engine availability and now the Finnair wet leases, I am not surprised at the lack of any announcement with the benefit of hindsight. The changes are looking like a thought bubble.

They're still flying 3x daily to TYO. Whilst they might not be able to implement their complex 3 way dovetailed schedule, it would be relatively simple to move over MEL or BNE-NRT, with enough notice (yes there will be changes to handling contracts etc but that was always going to be required).

But there's only so much they can hold out for and apply for extensions. Completely possible Australia loses the slots to other countries the next time Japan looks at the slots again (although who knows with the current world trajectory).

I think there will be a fair bit of leeway from the Japanese side considering the slots were awarded right at the end of the NS25 coordination period, meaning QF was pretty much picking from crumbs for its services. It should have more success for the NW25/26 schedule. As for ISAC considering there's no other airline they'll extend for however long is required.

 

[Himeno]

But there's only so much they can hold out for and apply for extensions. Completely possible Australia loses the slots to other countries the next time Japan looks at the slots again (although who knows with the current world trajectory).

Has Japan ever completely revoked HND long haul slots from a given country? They have taken back some of the US night slots, then gave them more day slots then the night slots they took back (returned 3 night slots for 12 day slots IIRC).

 

[Harrison_133]

An extension has been granted by IASC.

Capacity needs to be utilised by 30 November 2025.

Qantas cited "operational requirements" as the reason for the extension.

Source: https://www.iasc.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/-2025-iasc-r02.pdf

 

[moa999]

Will we get another 15 pages of discussion before November?

 

[Aeryn]

I'm very happy that my crack of dawn day time flight from HND to SYD in a few weeks is remaining as is so that I arrive in Australia the same day I left without any overnight or need to take another days leave.

If in future I need to return to Japan and the day flight becomes HND-BNE then Id book that. If all day flight options disappear then unless I can snag business award seats Id be looking to route home via other countries to avoid an over night in economy if possible, understanding there are very few day flights from Asia which is IMO a real pity.

 

[NSun]

I'm very happy that my crack of dawn day time flight from HND to SYD in a few weeks is remaining as is so that I arrive in Australia the same day I left without any overnight or need to take another days leave.

If in future I need to return to Japan and the day flight becomes HND-BNE then Id book that. If all day flight options disappear then unless I can snag business award seats Id be looking to route home via other countries to avoid an over night in economy if possible, understanding there are very few day flights from Asia which is IMO a real pity.

I'm booked on QF26 in late August. I much prefer daytime flights to overnights, but I do concede everyone may prefer otherwise. I could sleep on an overnight flight, but maybe I just prefer to take any day time flight home from Asia because there are so few, especially run by Qantas.

 

[markis10]

I'm booked on QF26 in late August. I much prefer daytime flights to overnights, but I do concede everyone may prefer otherwise. I could sleep on an overnight flight, but maybe I just prefer to take any day time flight home from Asia because there are so few, especially run by Qantas.

It’s a sentiment I hear all the time being expressed, however it’s not popular in practice apparently. A colleague and myself did HND-SYD on a Wednesday in August last year and there was probably more crew than pax on the plane, speaking to the crew this was not unusual. Presumably people would prefer to save the hotel cost and arrive with a full day ahead, I rarely sleep on planes so it’s usually zombie time for me on arrival.



I felt sorry for the exit row pax, if they paid they got poor value with plenty of 4 seats free in the middle.

 

[Himeno]

It’s a sentiment I hear all the time being expressed, however it’s not popular in practice apparently. A colleague and myself did HND-SYD on a Wednesday in August last year and there was probably more crew than pax on the plane, speaking to the crew this was not unusual. Presumably people would prefer to save the hotel cost and arrive with a full day ahead, I rarely sleep on planes so it’s usually zombie time for me on arrival.

Of course, how much of that is the needed early morning arrival at HND for the morning flight (more so when it is the 650ish departure) vs not liking day flights?
Plenty of people get the day flights out of Australia to Asia, why would a day flight back be any different?

 

[markis10]

Of course, how much of that is the needed early morning arrival at HND for the morning flight (more so when it is the 650ish departure) vs not liking day flights?

Not sure, my numerous MU flights that leave at a similar time from CAN have been full. Luckily being BNE based I do have a few day options from Asia incl HKG, SIN and DPS which depart later in the day.