Qantas is sorry (again)

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For those who followed the Senate select committee today, it's worth being reminded of the committee's terms of reference:

The Senate established the Select Committee on Commonwealth Bilateral Air Service Agreements to inquire into and report on all Federal Government decisions relating to any proposals since 2016 for additional services to Australia’s airports, with particular reference to:

  • The impacts of any such decisions on competition in the Australian aviation sector and the cost of living pressures on families and business.
  • The impacts experienced in other countries associated with such decisions.
  • The impact on the Australian economy, including on Australian travellers, the tourism and hospitality sectors and movement of freight.
  • The rights of airlines or other bodies to appeal decisions regarding bilateral air services agreements made by the responsible minister.
  • Any other related matters.

Terms of Reference

Anyone see any reference to "Qantas" or "Frequent flyer points" or "the voice to parliament" or "CEO superannuation"? Senator McKenzie should be embarrassed by her performance today. Her chairmanship was borderline appalling, as was her demeanour and tone, acting very hoity-toity throughout. The rubbish about ‘My office has been flooded with emails' from people complaining about the devaluation of frequent flyer points. What on God’s green earth does that have to do with bilateral air rights? Even the example of the bloke who apparently emailed her saying he once could fly SYD-LHR return for 256K but it’s now 3.1 million points shows her and her staff went straight for the headline-grabbing sound bytes instead of facts. We all know the bloke who emailed her was not comparing apples to apples.

Senator Sheldon’s entire line of questioning, especially concerning the sacking of the ground handlers and Hudson’s super fund, had no relevance that I could see to the terms of reference. Similarly, how there can be any possible relevance between Senator Babet’s questioning about Qantas’s support for the voice to parliament and the terms is entirely lost on me. Even Senator Pocock, who I’ve got a lot of time for me, was off-base with his questioning about the CBR-SYD schedule.

Birmingham – a very credible politician – brought the hearing immediately back on track when given his turn at 4.15pm.

In all, though, it was an embarrassing display of Australia's parliamentary system, as far as I'm concerned.

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I don’t think the Australian parliament can issue subpoenas can they?

Yes, parliamentary committees have the power to issue subpoenas. In my experience, the power is very, very sparsely used.

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In any event, perhaps you should have some T-shirts printed, with ‘sorry’ on them for your next QF flight.

Wouldn't that just be giving the middle finger to frontline staff like flight attendants and ... pilots?

It’s interesting looking back on it, but the Qantas that exists now is not the one that I flew for, for over 30 years. The real turning point was Alan’s totally unnecessary (look how tough I am) lock out. After that the relationship with the staff went down the drain, and management didn’t care at all. Having the pilot union publicly state that they’ve lost all confidence with the chairman is something that took years to bake, as AIPA has generally been an extremely conservative, and non political body. Personally, I think they’re toast, and the only question will be just how burnt the toast is.

By they, do you mean Qantas?
 
As someone who has had to sit through many Senate Estimates committee hearings in a previous job, I found that off topic ill informed questions from the pollies was to be expected. They love to grand stand and express gripes beyond the terms and chair rarely reigns them in even when running hours over schedule.
 
For those who followed the Senate select committee today, it's worth being reminded of the committee's terms of reference:
Well, yes, all fairly put, but then we have to wonder how the ( restrictive) Terms of Reference came about. I reckon 'Qantas' might score a mention or two there! 🙂
 
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The content is ime not worth a subscription especially when you read some of the ill informed letters they publish with false facts like QF redemptions have gone up 10 fold, when a simple fact check would just explain the difference between a Classic Rewatd vs Anytime, something travel journalists should know.
 
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The content is ime not worth a subscription especially when you read some of the ill informed letters they publish with false facts like QF redemptions have gone up 10 fold, when a simple fact check would just explain the difference between a Classic Rewatd vs Anytime, something travel journalists should know.
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OT, but simple and legal way to avoid this issue with said publication is to use incognito/ private mode, and when you hit the limit, close window and reopen to continue your free reading

That is what I do - incognito is equivalent to a new browser.

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For open articles on smh, the age, etc. yes it works - however if they are subscriber only articles, then you will need to find way around the paywall as well, many methods and tools for which are freely available, but cannot be referred to here ;)
 
Qantas Customer Care Team, another sorry tale!
Re: ACA case with the reference number ACA xx_xx_x We're sorry if this has not been resolved in a timely manner.
My answer the above statement - I think that this statement is a definition of an insincere apology.

If you truly were apologising, you would be suggesting ways to avoid such issues in the future. How Qantas should have contacted me via my mobile phone or message me via iMessages, email or the app to make me aware of the very serious nature of the booking anomaly that causes boarding denial at the gate.

Qantas could have done that for a valuable platinum customer. Qantas unfortunately had no idea what was going on until I called. And if Qantas had no idea, how was I supposed to know.

There remains one question which if answered would satisfy the whole matter of reference number ACAxx_xx_x it is set out below.
You write Alyssa,

I am sorry that you were unaware of this and that the ticket had not been reissued in time. BA would not be able to of taken payment as you did not pay for your ticket through them and they would not of been advised of your credit card being declined. It is the passengers responsibility to make sure they have all documentation for their flight, including their ticket.”
The single question - how do I prevent this from happening again so Qantas stops denying me boarding again?

I have booked flights with ANA and Lufthansa, as I cannot trust QANTAS.

Qantas have denied me boarding a couple of times already.

Qantas will write the above quoted paragraph anytime it wants.

For any perceived intolerant matter.
As I am living proof of QANTAS’s Intolerance towards me. (how inclusive)


Qantas will quote the same response, any time!
“It is the passenger’s responsibility to make sure they have all documentation for there flight, including their ticket.”
My answer and I repeat from my previous email.
I had all my documentation with me, this is not the actual problem, nor is it contested as you are unable to point to any single issue with the documentation. A printed ticket, booking reference number. I had my passport, my Qantas app on the phone. I had my AMEX App with no declined credit card message from Qantas. I am beginning to think it is a terrible lie Qantas is spinning to get out of any responsibility.
Perpetrating the lie as if it was my issue with the documentation.

Furthermore, my ticket and booking were a fully flexible ticket and was in credit by several dollars. (Qantas seems to be silent about this. i.e., “crickets”).

I am not owing any outstanding sums.

Being knocked back by the BA gate agent whose computer screen showed a red line under my name asking me to contact Qantas.

I contacted Qantas immediately standing directly in front of the BA gate agent and the response time from QANTAS was woeful, waiting so long on the phone that the Gate agent denied me boarding. She said, “had to close the flight as time had passed”.

You Quoted:
“In addition to this, we've found out that your return flights from Berlin-London-Sydney - Melbourne were refunded back to the original form of payment on the 07 July 2022.”
I am not contesting that refund matter.

It is reassuring that this happened as I was denied a service unjustly.

I am contesting QANTAS denying me boarding.

I had to purchase a ticket to Australia due to time constraints requiring me in Australia. I bought a one-way ticket for travel back to Melbourne what was available at short notice with Finnair. This is what I am contesting. I had to fly with Finnair back to Australia. I had all my documents and despite having no physical ticket with FINNAIR (having purchased a flight on my mobile phone) was afforded boarding. (A unique feature for Qantas considering its history of booking people on ghost flights).

Qantas will quote the same response i.e.,
“It is the passenger’s responsibility to make sure they have all documentation for their flight, including the ticket.”
Well yes, I agree and do not contest the above statement. However, FINNAIR did not get me stranded, QANTAS did. I made all reasonable attempts to have my documentations with me and current.

My honest opinion is that Qantas did not know what was happening.

Proof is in the media reports QANTAS booking ghost flights in 2022. Qantas clearly had issues. A reasonable company would inform me the customer (A PLATINUM CUSTOMER nothing-the-less) of any issue with billing and credit cards being declined causing an Australian individual getting stranded overseas. My American Express app and Qantas app would have shown a declined payment but did not.

Qantas and you Alyssa are blinded due to previous CEO’s concentration on profits and do not see proper customer service as a goal. A Problem any court could see. A glaring problem and obviously Qantas do not see or cannot see.

Yours Sincerely
QF :::::::::: / Marki
 
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Dear Alyssa,
Qantas Customer Care Team, another sorry tale!



Re: ACA case with the reference number ACA xx_xx_x We're sorry if this has not been resolved in a timely manner.



My answer the above statement - I think that this statement is a definition of an insincere apology.

If you truly were apologising, you would be suggesting ways to avoid such issues in the future. How Qantas should have contacted me via my mobile phone or message me via iMessages, email or the app to make me aware of the very serious nature of the booking anomaly that causes boarding denial at the gate.



Qantas could have done that for a valuable platinum customer. Qantas unfortunately had no idea what was going on until I called. And if Qantas had no idea, how was I supposed to know.



There remains one question which if answered would satisfy the whole matter of reference number ACAxx_xx_x it is set out below.

You write Alyssa,

Quote:



I am sorry that you were unaware of this and that the ticket had not been reissued in time. BA would not be able to of taken payment as you did not pay for your ticket through them and they would not of been advised of your credit card being declined. It is the passengers responsibility to make sure they have all documentation for their flight, including their ticket.”



End Quote.



The single question - how do I prevent this from happening again so Qantas stops denying me boarding again?



I have booked flights with ANA and Lufthansa, as I cannot trust QANTAS.

Qantas have denied me boarding a couple of times already.

Qantas will write the above quoted paragraph anytime it wants.

For any perceived intolerant matter.
As I am living proof of QANTAS’s Intolerance towards me. (how inclusive)



Qantas will quote the same response, any time!



“It is the passenger’s responsibility to make sure they have all documentation for there flight, including their ticket.”



My answer and I repeat from my previous email.

I had all my documentation with me, this is not the actual problem, nor is it contested as you are unable to point to any single issue with the documentation. A printed ticket, booking reference number. I had my passport, my Qantas app on the phone. I had my AMEX App with no declined credit card message from Qantas. I am beginning to think it is a terrible lie Qantas is spinning to get out of any responsibility.

Perpetrating the lie as if it was my issue with the documentation.



Furthermore, my ticket and booking were a fully flexible ticket and was in credit by several dollars. (Qantas seems to be silent about this. i.e., “crickets”).

I am not owing any outstanding sums.

Being knocked back by the BA gate agent whose computer screen showed a red line under my name asking me to contact Qantas.



I contacted Qantas immediately standing directly in front of the BA gate agent and the response time from QANTAS was woeful, waiting so long on the phone that the Gate agent denied me boarding. She said, “had to close the flight as time had passed”.



You Quoted: “In addition to this, we've found out that your return flights from Berlin-London-Sydney - Melbourne were refunded back to the original form of payment on the 07 July 2022.”

I am not contesting that refund matter.



It is reassuring that this happened as I was denied a service unjustly.

I am contesting QANTAS denying me boarding.

I had to purchase a ticket to Australia due to time constraints requiring me in Australia. I bought a one-way ticket for travel back to Melbourne what was available at short notice with Finnair. This is what I am contesting. I had to fly with Finnair back to Australia. I had all my documents and despite having no physical ticket with FINNAIR (having purchased a flight on my mobile phone) was afforded boarding. (A unique feature for Qantas considering its history of booking people on ghost flights).


Qantas will quote the same response i.e.,

“It is the passenger’s responsibility to make sure they have all documentation for their flight, including the ticket.”



Well yes, I agree and do not contest the above statement. However, FINNAIR did not get me stranded, QANTAS did. I made all reasonable attempts to have my documentations with me and current.

My honest opinion is that Qantas did not know what was happening.

Proof is in the media reports QANTAS booking ghost flights in 2022. Qantas clearly had issues. A reasonable company would inform me the customer (A PLATINUM CUSTOMER nothing-the-less) of any issue with billing and credit cards being declined causing an Australian individual getting stranded overseas. My American Express app and Qantas app would have shown a declined payment but did not.



Qantas and you Alyssa are blinded due to previous CEO’s concentration on profits and do not see proper customer service as a goal. A Problem any court could see. A glaring problem and obviously Qantas do not see or cannot see.



Yours Sincerely



QF ::::::::::

Marki
Is this an extract from Kafka's forthcoming book?
 
As someone who has had to sit through many Senate Estimates committee hearings in a previous job, I found that off topic ill informed questions from the pollies was to be expected. They love to grand stand and express gripes beyond the terms and chair rarely reigns them in even when running hours over schedule.
That Bridget Mckenzie is scary, tough, cookie!
 
Two brief excerpts From The Australian:

For all of the outrage and controversy engulfing Qantas, customers are still lining up to book seats on the flying kangaroo.
...
Bureau of Infrastructure, Transport and Regional Economics data showed Qantas and Jetstar carried almost 30 per cent of all travellers in and out of Australia in April, three times their closest competitor, Singapore Airlines, with 9.5 per cent, followed by Air New Zealand on 7.8 per cent
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Is this an extract from Kafka's forthcoming book?
It is a book and what else can one do to fight this denial of boarding? You will understand when it happens to you I guess? I am fighting it tooth and nail as all Qantas will say it is your responsibility to have all your documentation.
 
IMG_9718.jpegThere is a fight on for lower fares we the public of Australia lost round one-along with Qatar!IMG_9702.jpegIMG_9702.jpeg
 
Maybe Qantas is getting the hang of sorry?

I've posted elsewhere on the forum (see here and here) about a relatively dissatisfactory recent experience in J on QF2. Involving hot cabin due to defective APU in LHR and SIN, no PDB, no IFE or seat controls until after takeoff ex-SIN, multiple IFE reboots on flight SIN-SYD. That is before we get to the food (but that was just the QF offering I'm not a fan of overall).

I received a random (unsolicited) email from QF offering apologies for the poor experience on board SIN-SYD. No mention LHR-SIN, which makes me think the problems were probably noted by the Australian CSM/Purser/whatever on her iPad ex-SIN, which have then been actioned by head office. Anyway, the e-mail states that I will receive a $500 QF gift voucher by way of apology.

Personally I would regard this as a satisfactory outcome considering I expected nothing, or at most 5-10,000 points, if I proactively made a complaint.
 
Maybe Qantas is getting the hang of sorry?

I've posted elsewhere on the forum (see here and here) about a relatively dissatisfactory recent experience in J on QF2. Involving hot cabin due to defective APU in LHR and SIN, no PDB, no IFE or seat controls until after takeoff ex-SIN, multiple IFE reboots on flight SIN-SYD. That is before we get to the food (but that was just the QF offering I'm not a fan of overall).

I received a random (unsolicited) email from QF offering apologies for the poor experience on board SIN-SYD. No mention LHR-SIN, which makes me think the problems were probably noted by the Australian CSM/Purser/whatever on her iPad ex-SIN, which have then been actioned by head office. Anyway, the e-mail states that I will receive a $500 QF gift voucher by way of apology.

Personally I would regard this as a satisfactory outcome considering I expected nothing, or at most 5-10,000 points, if I proactively made a complaint.
OMG you got 500$ that is superb! Considering the alternative when Qantas denied me boarding in Berlin at the BER (Berlin Brandenberg Airport), about February last year. It was BA who really denied me boarding due to a red line under my name on their computer screen. Qantas blaming me for not having all my documentation and they apologised that I was unaware of the fact my ticket had not been reissued. I have the Qantas app, my AMEX app, yet nowhere to be found are any credit issues. Being a fully flex ticket and I was in credit. (Here Qantas are MUM - Crickets). They did eventually return my money for the credit owing. However, I wanted compensation as had to purchase a more expensive flight with Finnair to get home on time for work. I would be happy with SC more than points as a sorry. Even a one-off offer of a champagne bottle would placate me into submission with an attached sorry letter from CEO. But no, they fight tooth and nail and blame me for their own computer problems the same computer problems that caused them to book so many ghost flights.
 

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