Qantas & Jetstar reduce capacity

[thadocta]

mathematics wins again! hard to argue with simple arithmetic like that (unless you're hillary clinton)

Actually, it is easier to argue with the position of the esteemed moderator, IF you have some hard figures (apart from the figures that NM quoted). I don't profess to have those figures though.

Looking at fuel loaded, the 763 will be loaded much closer to full fuel capacity than the 743 will be, since the 743 has a longer range. Thus, the 763 will be much closer to MTOW than the 743 will be, and hence each engine will burn more fuel at the earlier stages of the flight (taxi, take-off, climb and early cruise) than each engine on the 743 will, due to the heavier load on the engine.

Looking at the MTOW/engine ratio, they are fairly even - the 743 with a MTOW (which it won't even be close to on this sector) of 377,842kg, spread over four engines, is 94,460kg per engine, whereas the 763, at MTOW of 172,365kg, which it will be approaching, will be 86,182kg per engine.

Since the 743 will be lightly loaded, it won't come close to burning this much fuel, whereas the 763 being closer to the MTOW will.

All in all, not much of a difference as far as fuel usage goes.

Then factor into it the extra revenue available with increased capacity, plus extra revenue from increased cargo capacity, and I really do not think it is as clear cut as some think it is.

ALTHOUGH - increased flexibility that becomes available with three 763's vs two 743's might be more appealing to business passengers, but that is a marketting issue rather than an operational issue.

Dave

 

[oz_mark]

Not to mention the constraints that the QF terminal in Perth has in terms of number of aircraft it can handle.

 

[SFSC]

Given the timing of the announcements last week, could we expect to hear about the international changes about 15:00 EST today?

 

[Flashback]

I guess not.......

 

[NM]

Actually, it is easier to argue with the position of the esteemed moderator, IF you have some hard figures (apart from the figures that NM quoted). I don't profess to have those figures though.

Actually, there are a lot of holes in my stats and I was waiting for someone to point them out

Looking at fuel loaded, the 763 will be loaded much closer to full fuel capacity than the 743 will be, since the 743 has a longer range. Thus, the 763 will be much closer to MTOW than the 743 will be, and hence each engine will burn more fuel at the earlier stages of the flight (taxi, take-off, climb and early cruise) than each engine on the 743 will, due to the heavier load on the engine.

The 763's endurance is around 11 hours, while the 743 endurance is more like 14 hours. So for a 5 hour SYD-PER mission, its around 45% of endurance for 763 and 35% for 743. So while you are correct that the 763 is likely to be operating closer to MTOW, its not going to be approaching MTOW unless there is lots of freight on board. And the freight capacity of both airlines is a consideration for the operating financial situation of the mission. But of course we have no info available on that.

 

[turtlemichael]

Qantas announcement on international schedules is out - particularly devastating for the Cairns tourism industry

About Qantas - Newsroom

 

[kpc]

Qantas announcement on international schedules is out - particularly devastating for the Cairns tourism industry

About Qantas - Newsroom

a quick read suggest that apart from reducing flights, Qf services are being replaced by J* services - another way to slowly get around the unions:idea:

 

[Kendall Roy]

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New A380 in QF Paint - not bad

 

[oz_mark]

a quick read suggest that apart from reducing flights, Qf services are being replaced by J* services - another way to slowly get around the unions:idea:

and the jetstar tentacles have extended to Perth

 

[Flashback]

a quick read suggest that apart from reducing flights, Qf services are being replaced by J* services - another way to slowly get around the unions:idea:

Given that our companies policy is J for anything over 3 hours (so pretty much anywhere, out of PER) - I'd say that all our guys will start going SIA to Jakarta, as JQ won't offer what they need.. pity really. Oh well, was bound to happen sooner or later.

 

[serfty]

Qantas Announces International Schedule Changes

Sydney, 05 June 2008

The Qantas Group today announced changes to its international services as it continues to manage the impact of high oil prices.

The Chief Executive Officer of Qantas, Mr Geoff Dixon, said the changes, which follow last week's announcement regarding domestic services, included market exits, capacity cuts and the replacement of Qantas services with Jetstar services on a number of routes.

Mr Dixon said the cost of fuel had changed the way the Qantas Group had to do business over the next two years.

"We have to look closely at each individual market, including the number of frequencies we operate and which of our flying businesses is better suited to serve those destinations."

Mr Dixon said Japan and South East Asia would be the most affected markets by the schedule changes. ...

Main changes:

• the withdrawal of Qantas' thrice-weekly Melbourne-Tokyo (Narita) A330 return services from September 2008;
• a reduction in Qantas' Sydney-Tokyo (Narita) A330 return services from nine to seven return services per week from September 2008;
• Jetstar's withdrawal from the Cairns-Osaka-Nagoya route from December 2008;
• the replacement of Qantas' 14 weekly B767 Cairns-Tokyo (Narita) services with a daily Jetstar non-stop A330 two-class service from December 2008; and
• the introduction of new Gold Coast-Tokyo (Narita) services five times per week, operated by Jetstar with two-class A330s from December 2008, in addition to Jetstar's daily Sydney-Gold Coast-Osaka services.

To support the schedule changes, Jetstar would need to free up A330 aircraft and, as a result, would:

• withdraw from its Sydney-Kuala Lumpur operation to make available an A330 aircraft; and
• replace its existing three weekly A330 services that operated between Sydney and Ho Chi Minh City with five A320 return services on the new route of Sydney-Darwin-Ho Chi Minh City from September 2008.

Jetstar would also replace Qantas on:

• the Perth-Denpasar route, with up to four Jetstar A320 services taking over from Qantas' B737-800 services from December 2008; and
• Perth-Jakarta, with three Jetstar A320 return services per week replacing the existing three Qantas B737-800 services from December 2008.

 

[ANstar]

Interesting that overall Jetstar's capacity to Japan will increase with a huge reduction on QF flying.

Looks like is is just HNL & MNL and PER-NRT with 767 long haul flying.

Wonder where the 5 x weekly QF A330 flights will go? Perhaps a replacement on PER-NRT and SYD-MNL leaving just HNL as 767"?

 

[maninblack]

Interesting that overall Jetstar's capacity to Japan will increase with a huge reduction on QF flying.

Looks like is is just HNL & MNL and PER-NRT with 767 long haul flying.

Wonder where the 5 x weekly QF A330 flights will go? Perhaps a replacement on PER-NRT and SYD-MNL leaving just HNL as 767"?

And Jakarta.

Wunala Dreaming already said he has info that HNL is slated for A332 service when the next international 332 comes into service later this year so i would assume PER-NRT will get A333 (or HNL 333 PER 332), as to MNL, I think it is last cab off the rank, not much J traffic, not much OW RTW traffic I suspect, few "high flyers"...etc.

 

[Flashback]

Pity the A333 doesn't come in before I do my trip to NRT in 5 weeks

MNL is another destination that my colleagues will fly J to, however it's only a small project team at the moment, so yes.. very little traffic.

 

[ANstar]

And Jakarta. .

Yes - but I dont really count that as long haul and it could easily be flown with a domestic J 767 (like NOU and CHC)

I'd probably say it will be PER-NRT and and as you mentioned SYD-HNL flown with a new 332 from December.

Not sure about MNL but I would suspect QF are trying to get rid of all the Internationally config 767's.

 

[maninblack]

Yes - but I dont really count that as long haul and it could easily be flown with a domestic J 767 (like NOU and CHC)

I'd probably say it will be PER-NRT and and as you mentioned SYD-HNL flown with a new 332 from December.

Not sure about MNL but I would suspect QF are trying to get rid of all the Internationally config 767's.

Yes but in the short term they will keep a small fleet of them. If there is more (even minor) cutting later in the year there may be further A330 and even 744 capacity.

MEL-PVG???

 

[dajop]

Not sure about MNL but I would suspect QF are trying to get rid of all the Internationally config 767's.

Just wonder how long before we see something like BNE-DRW-MNL (just like MEL-DRW-SIN and SYD-DRW-SGN)?

 

[maninblack]

Having now looked at this a bit, by my quick reckoning by late 2008 QF will have another international A332 and 2 A380's (with more to come in 2009) so with the cut in services by this time they will actually have an excess of international aircraft capacity for the first time in some years.

With MEL-NRT gone.
SYD-NRT reduced by 2 flights per week.
SYD-LAX reduced by 2 flights per week.

They have 11 international 763's most of which can go to domestic/Tasman work or some be retired/returned and have freed up 1 or 2 738's for domestic work, they will also have excess 744 capacity.

I think that Jakarta and MNL would both go JQ if they had the aircraft and these, especially Jakarta are vital government/trade routes and QF would have a lot of government pressure to keep them running, they may even have agreements to do so.

All of this means that virtually every international route should be Skybed/AVOD equipped by year end, which is a good thing.

PS. I still reckon MEL-PVG will go at some stage, or SYD-PVG will be reduced. China does not seem to be a good story for QF, even with all the AUS-China trade and Beijing Olympics still only 3 flights a week into Beijing with no plans to increase and as commented earlier, PVG is not a good performer.

PPS. Thinking about it further they may even be able to swing a 744 back onto AKL-LAX where it is currently an A332 freeing up that aircraft and thereby perhaps no longer requiring any international 763's. Jakarta may even go to 738's via DRW!

 

[Mox_Fulder]

Re: Qantas Announces International Schedule Changes

Main changes:

• withdraw from its Sydney-Kuala Lumpur operation to make available an A330 aircraft; and

I knew it....There goes my route....Will have to fly into Singapore and connect again....But the writing was on the wall.....

 

[Platy]

Well a big thank you to Geoff Dixon et al at the rude roo - you have just totally screwed Cairns.

No more QF international from CNS...

People here are livid.

:evil::evil::evil::evil::evil: