Qantas Loyalty SYD lunch (04SEP13) attendees thread

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Thank you to Qantas for organising.

Was such an excellent event. Appreciate the candour of QF Loyalty when answering our questions.

 

[shellthom]

A big THANK YOU to Qantas, its staff and staff at Rockpool for such an excellent lunch and the conversation today. It was a priviledge to be invited and a nice surprise to finally get into the CL before boarding the flight to Perth.

EH

You didn't miss your ride then?

 

[Jacques Vert]

Also a big thank you to Qantas and Rockpool; I agree with all the comments above in regard to the quality of the food and drinks. Like others, I enjoyed the opportunity of meeting AFF members and the team from Qantas. A great day topped off by a visit to the CL.

Also good to hear the answers from QF on many issues and take the opportunity to pass on our thoughts on a wide range of topics. JV

 

[Skyring]

A long day for me, and I had to leave the CL far too soon when an earlier flight opened up, but my made my evening class. and went promptly to sleep after, full of good food, good company and too much bubbly.

Thanks, Qantas, for your generosity, your candour and your excellent taste in good food, great design and excellent service.

And thanks to my fellow AFFers for their keen, insightful and often hilarious questions. I am awed to be in such company.

Pete, who kinda wishes he'd smuggled some of that mac cheese away for later enjoyment

 

[gwynne]

A big thanks to Qantas, Rockpool and AFF. Food was epic. That Pavlova was amazing.

Great to meet people. Hope it becomes a regular thing.

And I got a double SC offer last night (for 5 days only). Wonder if it is coincidental!

 

[EmilyHoward]

A big thanks to Qantas, Rockpool and AFF. Food was epic. That Pavlova was amazing.

Great to meet people. Hope it becomes a regular thing.

And I got a double SC offer last night (for 5 days only). Wonder if it is coincidental!

Gwynne

I think it is coincidental cuz I didn't get one! Hope I get one next year. It's been a while!

EH

 

[Skyring]

Gwynne

I think it is coincidental cuz I didn't get one! Hope I get one next year. It's been a while!

EH

No DSC love here either.

Good to meet you EmilyHoward, and very glad you weren't wearing a low-cut top - it would have been quite a distraction!

 

[Melburnian1]

Finally I was very naughty when the 80% of passenger leave Australia on another airline was mentioned. I raised the point that 8% of that other 80% was on JQ. The response was fair and reasonable, but it did reinforce that QF and JQ really are 2 separate airlines despite both contributing to the group.

They really need a CEO who is going to make both airlines work well together. IMO.

medhead, it's actually not quite as bad as '80 per cent use other airlines' if one is discussing the (combined) QF and JQ group, but it is even worse than that (for QF) if one only counts QF, not its other group members.

In June 2013, QF International had a market share of 17.7 per cent. JQ had 7.3 per cent, and Jetstar Asia 0.4 per cent - 25.4 per cent in total. Emirates had 9.8 per cent, which had risen by a high 18.7 per cent compared with June 2012's monthly figure.

The growth for all airlines serving Australia to and from international ports was 4.7 per cent, comparing June 2013 to June 2012, which is quite respectable (above Australia's population growth of about 1.8 per cent in the year to December 2012).

QF's growth was 4.4 per cent, Jetstar Asia's 9.4 per cent (from a low base) and JQ minus 7.3 per cent, largely because Jetstar Asia took over the operation of some or all Singapore flights.

 

[medhead]

medhead, it's actually not quite as bad as '80 per cent use other airlines' if one is discussing the (combined) QF and JQ group, but it is even worse than that (for QF) if one only counts QF, not its other group members.

In June 2013, QF International had a market share of 17.7 per cent. JQ had 7.3 per cent, and Jetstar Asia 0.4 per cent - 25.4 per cent in total. Emirates had 9.8 per cent, which had risen by a high 18.7 per cent compared with June 2012's monthly figure.

The growth for all airlines serving Australia to and from international ports was 4.7 per cent, comparing June 2013 to June 2012, which is quite respectable (above Australia's population growth of about 1.8 per cent in the year to December 2012).

QF's growth was 4.4 per cent, Jetstar Asia's 9.4 per cent (from a low base) and JQ minus 7.3 per cent, largely because Jetstar Asia took over the operation of some or all Singapore flights.

80% was the figure stated by Qantas reps at the lunch. The point remains that it doesn't include Jetstar. Last time I checked, a fair while ago, the combined JQ and QF figure was about the same as the old QF figure - pre JQ. I find it disingenuous to try to pretend that passenger numbers being lower on QF means something when the Qantas group as a whole is roughly the same as always.

 

[markis10]

80% was the figure stated by Qantas reps at the lunch. The point remains that it doesn't include Jetstar. Last time I checked, a fair while ago, the combined JQ and QF figure was about the same as the old QF figure - pre JQ. I find it disingenuous to try to pretend that passenger numbers being lower on QF means something when the Qantas group as a whole is roughly the same as always.

Latest figures from June had qf at 17.7 and JQ at 7.9 of australian departures.

 

[Melburnian1]

80% was the figure stated by Qantas reps at the lunch. The point remains that it doesn't include Jetstar. Last time I checked, a fair while ago, the combined JQ and QF figure was about the same as the old QF figure - pre JQ. I find it disingenuous to try to pretend that passenger numbers being lower on QF means something when the Qantas group as a whole is roughly the same as always.

medhead, unfortunately for QF you are not correct.

In 2002, the year following AN's collapse, QF had an international passenger market share of 33.5 per cent and the then Australian Airlines 0.5 per cent - 34 per cent in total.

This is substantially higher than adding QF, JQ and Jetstar Asia (3K) together as I did above.

The only way one could claim that 'the QF group's' market share was similar in 2013 to what it was in 2002 would be to include every passenger on EK, but many of those travellers are booking through EK and not QF.

So QF International (including the QF group subsidiaries that fly ex Australia internationally) has shrunk quite considerably over the years.

QF's commentary about its 'lower' July 2013 yields (while only one month's data) indicates that it must be worried about the competitive response from SQ (which has added flights to and from Oz since QF commenced the EK tieup) and potentially from CX (which is hidebound by air services agreements that prohibit it from commencing extra flights to and from OZ until such time as the agreement is renegotiated). The latter may give us a clue why CX has recently condemned so strongly the proposed JQ affiliate that is trying to commence operations out of HKG.

 

[medhead]

medhead, unfortunately for QF you are not correct.

In 2002, the year following AN's collapse, QF had an international passenger market share of 33.5 per cent and the then Australian Airlines 0.5 per cent - 34 per cent in total.

This is substantially higher than adding QF, JQ and Jetstar Asia (3K) together as I did above.

The only way one could claim that 'the QF group's' market share was similar in 2013 to what it was in 2002 would be to include every passenger on EK, but many of those travellers are booking through EK and not QF.

So QF International (including the QF group subsidiaries that fly ex Australia internationally) has shrunk quite considerably over the years.

QF's commentary about its 'lower' July 2013 yields (while only one month's data) indicates that it must be worried about the competitive response from SQ (which has added flights to and from Oz since QF commenced the EK tieup) and potentially from CX (which is hidebound by air services agreements that prohibit it from commencing extra flights to and from OZ until such time as the agreement is renegotiated). The latter may give us a clue why CX has recently condemned so strongly the proposed JQ affiliate that is trying to commence operations out of HKG.

This is off topic for the thread. But I didn't say 2002. Thanks for you input.

 

[docjames]

Thanks (and likes done) for those who've shared snippets of info. Particularly medhead who has posted some good info on discussion topics.

 

[Melburnian1]

medhead, I chose 2002 because it was the year prior to JQ being formed as a company. However, JQ's flights didn't begin until July 2004.

 

[zainman]

Thank you QF for a great event and the flight to SYD. Really enjoyed meeting some AFF'ers in person and the great food at Rockpool

 

[markis10]

The Melbourne video on ASAs etc has now been posted

http://www.australianfrequentflyer....nfirmed-qf-removing-cheap-asas-48705-246.html

 

[QF WP]

Thanks for helping (doing) the upload markis10. The fact that you had issues made me feel much better

Hope this is of interest to members

 

[markis10]

Thanks for helping (doing) the upload markis10. The fact that you had issues made me feel much better

Hope this is of interest to members

I had less hair to lose