Qantas most expensive excess baggage fees in the world?

[dandandandan]

A European would get less luggage then an Asian, a teenager more than an adult?

Please elaborate on the science and math that garnered this conclusion.
Thanks.

 

[hossein_au]

Here destination is Singapore to Sydney.

We will definitely look at air freight and dajop's suggestion of the Qantas Club is a brilliant idea, will definitely crunch the numbers on that one.

Does Qantas sell "comfort" seat for international itineraries? I think you'll get all the benefits of the extra seat (SCs, etc), which might even include luggage allowance?

 

[samh004]

Does Qantas sell "comfort" seat for international itineraries? I think you'll get all the benefits of the extra seat (SCs, etc), which might even include luggage allowance?

I know you get points/SC but never tried to use the luggage. A comfort seat though just removes the second set of taxes, so it may not be as economical on most international routes.

 

[JohnK]

Years ago I was hit with an excess charge for 3kg over. Now, since I bulked up a few years ago, I am carrying 20kg more body mass and airlines have no problem.

Thankfully humans are not treated as freight. Well not yet anyway....

 

[straitman]

Thankfully humans are not treated as freight. Well not yet anyway....

Remaining OT. I disagree as many airlines treat humans as Self Loading Freight and nothing else:!:

 

[ajw373]

Singapore yes, I research a while back but I forgot, Geez you' re right very pricey.
In terms of British Airways they operate on a per piece system so there price is 60pounds a piece for about $100 for additional bag.

Also remember that BA (on flights to Aus at least) works on a max bag weight of 23kg for economy. So yeah in this case going to 45KG is cheaper on BA, go to 50KG and you need to take 3 bags and the 3rd bag will cost 120GBP.

And yup SQ more expensive than Qantas too. SIN-SYD it is $30USD/KG. So just shy of $600AUD for an extra 15KG.

 

[katiebell]

QF tried to charge a friend GBP100/kg for excess baggage in J. The post office at LHR T3 is handy especially as the UK have cheaper rates for printed papers. Doubly annoying as the tolerance was the same as that given to Y (2kg) and not a % of total allowance (which would be fairer).

When QF entered the JV with EK AJ stated pax on QF would get the better of whatever the two airlines offered. For J pax this should have meant 3 x 32 kg bags and 1 more 32 kg bag for OWE. Sadly he was not true to his word and J baggage has dropped to 40% of what it was.

Many check in staff are understanding and tolerant but every so often a dragon mans the scales. I met one such check in supervisor at ZRH: wanted to charge me a massive amount for being 3 kg over for my flight to NUE. Fortunately the cashier saw reason. A few minutes after coughing up she came over to be, asked for the credit card slip and tore it up stating you will not be charged.

I too get annoyed at the weight = fuel burn argument as this means that lighter pax are disadvantaged and heavier ones subsidised (works both ways in my family) but the lighter ones are doubly penalised: they pay the same but cost less to fly and share their seat space with the 'traditionally built'. In addition the argument that a handbag counts as hand luggage / weight allowance is annoying as most of the contents are what men are able to put in pockets (and add to the untallied weight).

One of the few remaining advantages of flying BA is the checked luggage limits and the generous handbaggage (up to 23kg per piece).

I agree QF have made massive amounts out of charges: booking fees, xs bags, seat selection etc etc



When looking at this list bear in mind the relative size of the airlines and number of flights per week...

 

[TheInsider]

I agree QF have made massive amounts out of charges: booking fees, xs bags, seat selection etc etc

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When looking at this list bear in mind the relative size of the airlines and number of flights per week...

What you fail to point out, is that Qantas don't really make that much on excess and seat fees, the above picture is ancillary revenue, but the majority of that is from its Frequent Flyer program.

Also for the baggage part, Qantas use the weight side of things on all non-american flights. Unless the travel agent booked it incorrectly or had a US stop in there.

It wouldn't have been 100GBP per kilo, it's $80AUD kg for international between AU and EU, (since you said they were entitled to 3@ 32kgs). It would've been around 100GBP for that extra bag upto 23kgs.

 

[oz_mark]

I agree QF have made massive amounts out of charges: booking fees, xs bags, seat selection etc etc

Back in the original report we find thses two tables.







So, the frequent flyer program contributed $1,049,148,748 of the $1,167,168,403

So I think we can dismiss the ergument that Qantas is deriving massive amounts of revenue from XS fees, seat selection and so on.

 

[ajw373]

When QF entered the JV with EK AJ stated pax on QF would get the better of whatever the two airlines offered. For J pax this should have meant 3 x 32 kg bags and 1 more 32 kg bag for OWE. Sadly he was not true to his word and J baggage has dropped to 40% of what it was.

You are not making a like for like comparison here. Your example was a weight based example but then quote piece based. From what I can recall, for weight based routes the EK alliance has given a better allowance for Qantas pax in all classes.

And on piece based routes Qantas has the better allowance at 3x32 compared to EK's 2x32.

 

[mannej]

Ajw373, QF did indeed have the piece based system just prior to the EK Alliance (I can certainly remember it in 2012).

I do believe that it is true that in the transition from Piece to weight based, that although there were some winners (i.e Y going from 1 x 23 to 1 x 30), a number of status pax did lose out on their overall entitlement.

 

[ajw373]

Partially right there. On weight system routes (or may have just been domestic) Qantas did have a weight plus bag count limit for a short period of time. However the total weight was less than what is available now on weight system routes and if I recall all classes and status levels went up. Where there is a difference is in the gap between the allowance for each status. The difference is minor now but still as I recall more than before.

 

[mannej]

Partially right there. On weight system routes (or may have just been domestic) Qantas did have a weight plus bag count limit for a short period of time. However the total weight was less than what is available now on weight system routes and if I recall all classes and status levels went up. Where there is a difference is in the gap between the allowance for each status. The difference is minor now but still as I recall more than before.

Sorry but that isn't correct. Not everyone was a winner out of the changes to the current system.

 

[ajw373]

Sorry but that isn't correct. Not everyone was a winner out of the changes to the current system.

Don't recall do you remember who?

 

[mannej]

Don't recall do you remember who?

Here you go - compare these allowances to the current allowances.

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/m...nges-to-international-checked-baggage-policy/

 

[katiebell]

What you fail to point out, is that Qantas don't really make that much on excess and seat fees, the above picture is ancillary revenue, but the majority of that is from its Frequent Flyer program.

Also for the baggage part, Qantas use the weight side of things on all non-american flights. Unless the travel agent booked it incorrectly or had a US stop in there.

It wouldn't have been 100GBP per kilo, it's $80AUD kg for international between AU and EU, (since you said they were entitled to 3@ 32kgs). It would've been around 100GBP for that extra bag upto 23kgs.

The table I referred to is headed 'airlines that make to most from extra charges': a FF programme is not 'extra charges' so based on this my statement is reasonable. I do see that another source has the table headed differently to include costs not related flights.

Re xs baggage charges: I was at LHR assisting the pax who was told 'you are 10kg over, it is GBP100 per kg so that will be GBP500'. These figures are totally accurate.

You are not making a like for like comparison here. Your example was a weight based example but then quote piece based. From what I can recall, for weight based routes the EK alliance has given a better allowance for Qantas pax in all classes.

And on piece based routes Qantas has the better allowance at 3x32 compared to EK's 2x32.

My comparison is like for like: QF pre-EK and QF post_EK onteh same route (AU-LHR). Definitely 3 x 32 kg for J pre and 40kg post. For WP add 1 x 32kg bag pre and 20kg post. In otehr words 96kg became 40 kg and 128kg became 60kg. I know because I flew the sector 1 month before and one month after the EK deal. Other pax may have done better but premium pax lost out as did WP 'our most valued customers' to quote a CSM recently. To make it worse, PE and J have the same 40kg limit. Now QF why is this so???

Partially right there. On weight system routes (or may have just been domestic) Qantas did have a weight plus bag count limit for a short period of time. However the total weight was less than what is available now on weight system routes and if I recall all classes and status levels went up. Where there is a difference is in the gap between the allowance for each status. The difference is minor now but still as I recall more than before.

The gap pre and post-EK is massive for J >58% DECREASE.

 

[TheInsider]

The table I referred to is headed 'airlines that make to most from extra charges': a FF programme is not 'extra charges' so based on this my statement is reasonable. I do see that another source has the table headed differently to include costs not related flights.

Re xs baggage charges: I was at LHR assisting the pax who was told 'you are 10kg over, it is GBP100 per kg so that will be GBP500'. These figures are totally accurate.

A frequent flyer program is extra charges. So your statement is not reasonable.

I'd think you'd like to read what you just wrote again about the excess charges, 10kg over at 100GBP per kilo does not = 500GBP. Like i said before, they would't have charged per kilo if it was a piece ticket. It's just that simple.

 

[katiebell]

A frequent flyer program is extra charges. So your statement is not reasonable.

I'd think you'd like to read what you just wrote again about the excess charges, 10kg over at 100GBP per kilo does not = 500GBP. Like i said before, they would't have charged per kilo if it was a piece ticket. It's just that simple.

extra charges are only one part of ancillary revenue as indicated in the other table.

100GBP/kg; 500GBP after a little leeway for a bit over gratis. Agree that orginal text is confusing

 

[TheInsider]

100GBP/kg; 500GBP after a little leeway for a bit over gratis. Agree that orginal text is confusing

I still don't think you are understanding. On a kg ticket, they would charge per kg, and am sure it wouldn't have been 100GBP per kilo, unless there were other airlines involved with the flight. On a piece ticket that would charge per piece up to 23kgs and would be around that 100GBP price point.

 

[Tallfont]

I have only been charged excess baggage once and that was in January this year. One suitcase at 25kg on VA - PER>BNE>POM. Cost $120.

I know I was 2kg overweight on one suitcase but as a VA Platinum I am technically allowed 3 x 23kg so I was a tad annoyed.

Anyways, it turns out that this was the catalyst to review my relationship with VA and from my next trip out of Perth I have booked QF. My estimate is that for $120 in excess baggage VA have lost around $40,000 per annum in revenue!