Qantas Poor SC/Points Earning on MH Business Class ADL-LHR

[justinbrett]

QF/MH have had a rocky relationship for years (remember the "Red" joint ventture that went pear shaped?) and yes, they also compete, and QF has actively pushed towards its own kangaroo route services via PER and SIN over connections over KUL (the MH product used to be quite OK prior to covid, not so sure about now) via poor earn as noted by a few above. You can see the clear intent by the difference between earning for non competing routes and the Kangaroo routes (eg: Oz-KUL, KUL-LHR).

And we need to remember it was QF that sponsored MH into oneworld.

At one point they were looking at merging.

It is kind of a scam. Advertise the benefits of oneworld membership but change the fine print to suit one's own self interest. Like all scams you just have to be aware of it and avoid it.

My recent dabbling in Star Alliance indicates the grass isn't any greener. They seem to be even more disparate.

 

[Ade]

Because QF codeshares on EK, you'll get full QF points & SCs with them.

EK hasn’t returned to ADL and nothing concrete to suggest they will. Qantas has forced us to fly with other OW carriers and then punishes us for the privilege of doing so

And I'd think there is no DSCs as well when flying on EK codeshare QF (at least based on latest DSC) or other OW carriers ... seems ADL is very much impacted I'd say...

 

[Ade]

That was the main reason I switched to BAEC

OT - apologies for that, but every time I hear someone mention BAEC, my ears perk up.

From your statement, I understand that you switched crediting your non-QF OW flights ex-ADL from QFF to BAEC because QFF crediting non-QF OW flights to QFF was giving less points and SC compared to the points & TP awarded when crediting those non-QF OW flights to BAEC?

Is the non-QF even a factor or were you crediting all OW (QF inclusive) flights to BAEC?

Happy to send you a PM, if we can take this discussion away from this thread.

 

[Ade]

This is the info you need.

May I ask and I tried finding it in the table on QF website, but couldn't find the info. I flew MAA-KUL-SIN on MH (as part of a much longer QF itinerary) and credited my SC/points to QF. My QF activity statement says "Zero Earn class".



Is there anywhere in the QF website where I can see what the ineligible classes are? The table only talks about Flights between Australia and Malaysia, UK or Europe*; New Zealand and Malaysia, UK or Europe*; and Malaysia and UK, Europe* or Middle East. There is no mention of Asian routes (assuming India is counted as part of Asia)

 

[jrfsp]

May I ask and I tried finding it in the table on QF website, but couldn't find the info. I flew MAA-KUL-SIN on MH (as part of a much longer QF itinerary) and credited my SC/points to QF. My QF activity statement says "Zero Earn class".

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Is there anywhere in the QF website where I can see what the ineligible classes are? The table only talks about Flights between Australia and Malaysia, UK or Europe*; New Zealand and Malaysia, UK or Europe*; and Malaysia and UK, Europe* or Middle East. There is no mention of Asian routes (assuming India is counted as part of Asia)

https://www.qantas.com/au/en/frequent-flyer/earn-points/airline-earning-tables/earn-category-tables.html?int_cam=au%3Aairline-earning-tables%3Aarticle%3Afrequent-flyer-earn-categories%3Aen%3Ann

 

[justinbrett]

May I ask and I tried finding it in the table on QF website, but couldn't find the info. I flew MAA-KUL-SIN on MH (as part of a much longer QF itinerary) and credited my SC/points to QF. My QF activity statement says "Zero Earn class".

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Is there anywhere in the QF website where I can see what the ineligible classes are? The table only talks about Flights between Australia and Malaysia, UK or Europe*; New Zealand and Malaysia, UK or Europe*; and Malaysia and UK, Europe* or Middle East. There is no mention of Asian routes (assuming India is counted as part of Asia)

If you had one not in the QF table, you earn nothing. From what I can see, that would include SNQOG. (and of course U/X)

In the table there are two rows, one with the geographic restrictions you quoted, the other is "All other flights". Intra-Asian flights are covered in this row.

 

[Ade]

If you had one not in the QF table, you earn nothing. From what I can see, that would include SNQOG. (and of course U/X)

In the table there are two rows, one with the geographic restrictions you quoted, the other is "All other flights". Intra-Asian flights are covered in this row.

Thank you @justinbrett - I tried finding the actual fare class, but can't see if as the trip is done and there is no mention of the actual fare class in the e-tkt. I'm going to have to assume that it is one of the SNQOGUX. It was a last minute booking, so wasn't looking into what the earn was.

Also, the "All other flights" shows only limited fare classes for Y and another assumption from my end would be I flew on a fare class that is not listed under Y against "All other flights"

 

[justinbrett]

Thank you @justinbrett - I tried finding the actual fare class, but can't see if as the trip is done and there is no mention of the actual fare class in the e-tkt. I'm going to have to assume that it is one of the SNQOGUX. It was a last minute booking, so wasn't looking into what the earn was.

Also, the "All other flights" shows only limited fare classes for Y and another assumption from my end would be I flew on a fare class that is not listed under Y against "All other flights"

The only difference between the rows is that the second one spreads the classes into their respective columns up to First, the first row brings it all to the left in either the discount or flex Y columns.

I think the fares MH calls "Lite" are the ones that don't earn anything (for either row), and I don't think that's unique to QF.

 

[jase05]

OT - apologies for that, but every time I hear someone mention BAEC, my ears perk up.

From your statement, I understand that you switched crediting your non-QF OW flights ex-ADL from QFF to BAEC because QFF crediting non-QF OW flights to QFF was giving less points and SC compared to the points & TP awarded when crediting those non-QF OW flights to BAEC?

Is the non-QF even a factor or were you crediting all OW (QF inclusive) flights to BAEC?

Happy to send you a PM, if we can take this discussion away from this thread.

No, switched all OW earning to BAEC. Don’t credit anything to QF anymore.
BAEC rewards you fairly for OW partners and even goes a step further by crediting Fiji airways and QF codeshares on third party airlines so Emirates for example

 

[CaptJCool]

The lack of EK out of Adelaide is not especially a problem

Like all these things often it was cheaper to fly east to fly on than it was to depart Radelaide….
(School Euro trips especially)
Parents paying through the nose

Given the 2 MH episodes I was comfortable the kids were booked on EK direct out/in Adel

The fact MH still live on is testament to their staying power (or the govt ownership

Also 777 provided the service so F A380 “showers” meant the fly more pay less proved its value

 

[justinbrett]

BAEC rewards you fairly for OW partners and even goes a step further by crediting Fiji airways and QF codeshares on third party airlines so Emirates for example

But no status on EK obviously, which would be a big loss if you flew EK often (unless flying F). And no JQ earn.

I think it would depend on the person and their unique circumstance. Lack of WP release with QF would be a big loss.

 

[RooFlyer]

Getting back to @Brain Drain 's issue - got points only for MH Business ADL-KUL*. As far as I can see, they should have received some SCs as well - at the Flex Economy rate.

* I think - written as ADL-MEL. If that's correct, could it be MH code-share on QF, and if so, would that earn SCs?

 

[SYD]

* I think - written as ADL-MEL. If so, could it be MH code-share on QF, and if so, would that earn SCs?

As a codeshare it would still come back to the MH fare class purchased and the earning table.

A QF code on an MH ticket would earn full points and SCs.

It was mentioned up thread that perhaps some of these flights just haven't posted yet and need a followup? I'd do the email approach because the web form claim process can be a flaky.

 

[jase05]

But no status on EK obviously, which would be a big loss if you flew EK often (unless flying F). And no JQ earn.

I think it would depend on the person and their unique circumstance. Lack of WP release with QF would be a big loss.

Absolutely different for everyone. JQ is on my banned list so no biggie and we travel in J so if we go with EK we won’t get F lounge but J lounge and a stack of TP’s is fine by me for the occasional trip we would fly with them.
Suits our needs but probably doesn’t suit a lot especially if you can’t get the sector requirements on BA every year

 

[AustraliaPoochie]

MH J earning only QF flexY points and SC not new.
Au to UK routes inc.
MH also prefers pax put points to Enrich.
Not transferrable to any other FF progrs.

 

[serfty]

The irony is QF sponsored MH into OW but something went south in a bad way in the intervening period.

Qantas "Jilted" MH "at the alter" and "eloped" with EK.

 

[AustraliaPoochie]

So much like a loved up couple, marriage, then icy cold near divorce.
Don't disturb me and I don't disturb you situation between QF and MH.
MH probably gains while in OW.
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Heh, if you can find an MH code on QF flight or vv, that is.
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For Rooflyer you will not find J or F on the QF points and status credit calculator if it relates to MH if Aust or UK city names are put in.

 

[Seat0B]

My recent dabbling in Star Alliance indicates the grass isn't any greener. They seem to be even more disparate.

That's disappointing as I was looking to remove my QF golden handcuffs now Seat Son lives in Abu Dhabi not Dubai

 

[Seat0B]

And I'd think there is no DSCs as well when flying on EK codeshare QF (at least based on latest DSC)

I confirm there have been no DSCs on QF codeshare flown on EK metal for several years now, much to my chagrin when visiting Seat Son every year. Via Europe as well, so a lot of SC would be earned if I could get the DSC offers on these trips - heck I may even make it back to P1 if that ever came back.

I thought it used to give DSC, maybe back around 2016/2017, but maybe that was when the trips were on QF metal?

 

[justinbrett]

Getting back to @Brain Drain 's issue - got points only for MH Business ADL-KUL*. As far as I can see, they should have received some SCs as well - at the Flex Economy rate.

* I think - written as ADL-MEL. If that's correct, could it be MH code-share on QF, and if so, would that earn SCs?

Happy to be corrected but I don't think MH codeshares on QF. They just sell QF codes.

I read OP's post as the ADL-MEL flight credited (which makes sense as QF credits QF quickly); but the others haven't. I would assume that's an issue with crediting and not straight out denied.

Assume the routing was ADL-MEL-KUL-LHR//LHR-KUL/ADL as ADL/KUL isn't daily.