Qantas - Sorry But I Am Over You

[oz_mark]

But the great hypocrisy is they have no intention of changing the ChairMAN's lounge.

IIRC Margaret Jackson had no issue at all at being called the Qantas Chairman.
It is what the position is called.

 

[TheRealTMA]

IIRC Margaret Jackson had no issue at all at being called the Qantas Chairman.
It is what the position is called.

For that sort of money I assume they could have called her Al! (Song reference to Simon Garfunkel.)

 

[drron]

IIRC Margaret Jackson had no issue at all at being called the Qantas Chairman.
It is what the position is called.

Though the document from Qantas has this sentence-

“Language can make groups of people invisible. For example, the use of the term chairman can reinforce the idea that leaders are always men,” the document states.

So hypocrites.

 

[JohnK]

The main reason you will not fly the far superior SQ is you do not get the full can in Y?

SQ is not far superior. Not for me. SQ is very good but not as good as Qantas and there are a few reasons

- I can earn Platinum status on Qantas which translates to Oneworld Emerald. My VA Gold doesn't go very far although if I give up Qantas I can earn VA Platinum which still doesn't go far but never SQ status
- First class lounges which I cannot get on SQ
- Qantas lounges and partner lounges are better than the SQ lounges I can access or can't access in some airports
- Superior seat selection on Qantas international as I can almost always get bulkhead but on SQ risk sitting behind chronic recliner unless paying for exit row

In saying that I am flying SQ in 3 weeks and again in June to try and keep VA Gold.

 

[wandering_fred]

Maybe try MH?

Well if you want to arrive into PER international on One World flights between 0700 and 1900 it's MH or MH, Though QFF members could still fly JQ from DPS.

The new pricing on Jetstar Max fares does make the proposition "interesting". If course, "interesting" is my conclusion on the disappearance of the Jetstar PER-SIN routes when the A380s start to transit SIN.

Happy wandering
Fred

 

[Deleted member]

Though the document from Qantas has this sentence-

So hypocrites.

In the world of free speech, (which is sadly being eroded and attacked by the militant left) if Someone (Margret Jackson in this case) is unaffected in her use of the word chairman to describe her position, who am I to argue.
The concern that I have is that we don’t end up with the farcical situation we see in Canada with the legislative enforcement of the use of personal pronouns. In my business we have women who for example don’t want to be referred to as either Miss or Mrs. We address them as they want to be addressed.
No need for legislation, just acceptance of a person and their right to be addressed in a particular way. I feel as strongly about this as I do when ensuring I spell and pronounce a persons name.

 

[pauly7]

I find it amusing that the OP can fire off an opening salvo such as this one and then retreat without backing up their assertions.

Unsurprising there is a word for people who fire off rants on forums then run away and AFF has had a few lately unfortunately. Mods are usually quite onto it. This thread belongs in the playground (near or in the playground trash can lol). Thread now ignored

 

[Denali]

On the plus side, no lemon meringue pies have been thrown in the making of this thread.

Because its sad when desserts have to suffer the consequences of our hissy fits.

 

[Hvr]

(which is sadly being eroded and attacked by the militant left)

The militant right also erode free speech. All extremists do.

 

[drron]

Unsurprising there is a word for people who fire off rants on forums then run away and AFF has had a few lately unfortunately. Mods are usually quite onto it. This thread belongs in the playground (near or in the playground trash can lol). Thread now ignored

Except the OP has over 3000 posts here.

 

[pauly7]

Except the OP has over 3000 posts here.

So? Still haven’t come back have they

 

[drron]

So? Still haven’t come back have they

But he hasn't just come to AFF to rant and then disappear.

 

[Hvr]

On the plus side, no lemon meringue pies have been thrown in the making of this thread.

Because its sad when desserts have to suffer the consequences of our hissy fits.

Although if it gets very bad it could be alleged that tortes may have been breached. If so then the penalties may include their just desserts.

 

[pauly7]

But he hasn't just come to AFF to rant and then disappear.

Didn’t say that think you mean someone else.

 

[harvyk]

To the OP, judging by the rest of this thread, yes it's just you.

People can chose to deal with or not deal with a company for any reason they like, so if they feel that a company is too vocal on social issues and that's a reason not to use them then so be it. Of course given just about every company has been vocal on that particular issue good luck finding an airline which doesn't not have a position.

Moving onto the so called language document

I find this hangup on language an interesting one. On one hand you have groups which are angry if you dare use non-inclusive but historically acceptable language (eg chairMAN), but on the other hand will happily create their own "ist" terms which they say without a hint of irony or self awareness (eg mansplaining).

Personally I'm not too worried how I'm addressed (or any other language used) by a company representative, as long as it's done with respect. I'm not exactly a huge fan of "Mr", and I'd prefer people address me by my first name since I feel "Mr" creates a hierarchy where none exists, that said I'm not going to have a go at someone who does call me Mr Lastname.

Finally I'm having doubts on the authenticity of the document in question, just little clues such as stating "invasion" is acceptable language (and the posts by QF employees on social media stating they hadn't seen the document in question) is making me wonder if it was either a work in progress, or a complete fabrication. Because news organisations have never been known to publish lies and / or half truths.

 

[drron]

A copy was in news limited papers a couple of days ago with pictures of the document.Found it via google but just now nowhere on google.

 

[harvyk]

A copy was in news limited papers a couple of days ago with pictures of the document.Found it via google but just now nowhere on google.

I know that news limited published a copy, but that hardly means that it was an official document ready for general distribution. Whilst not saying that this is a fake document, it wouldn't be the first time that a news organisation has published something which later turned out to be a hoax.

I guess I would have more trust in it if a QF rep came here and said "yeap, it's real and distributed to all staff"

 

[TheRealTMA]

I know that news limited published a copy, but that hardly means that it was an official document ready for general distribution."

While it may well be a real document, I suggest it is better to always treat any document "published as a scoop" by news limited with a grain of salt and as initially fake until I see the original from the original source.

Although it does appear in other reports - Qantas to introduce new gender-neutral language

Qantas just outlawed the terms "mum" and "dad" on flights

 

[drron]

As I said it was a photo of a document that did have a QF logo and did have the name Olivia Wirth.So I took it as genuine.

PS-this report gives the origin of the fact sheet.

A Qantas spokeswoman told Yahoo7 News the content of the information pack was created by the Diversity Council of Australia and was supplied to around 150 other companies.

“We want Qantas to be an inclusive workplace and we shared some factsheets created by the Diversity Council of Australia with some suggestions on more inclusive language, particularly on gender, age and LGBTI issues.”

The 'gender-inappropriate' words Qantas has banned staff from using

 

[Franky]

While it may well be a real document, I suggest it is better to always treat any document "published as a scoop" by news limited with a grain of salt and as initially fake until I see the original from the original source.

Why just pick out News Limited - most news organisations are guilty of this..