Qantas to keep FRA till October 2013; BA Singapore codeshare to continue

[Timba-Jet]

Not seen it mentioned, but presumably the loss of FRA as a destination on QF metal would eradicate the very well priced S7 codeshare to DME? I was really looking forward to taking advantage of it when I next flew to Europe, so I hope there's a way it will still work through S7!

Very good point. S7 and Russia are in my very long list of travel wants.

 

[Joshua]

Very good point. S7 and Russia are in my very long list of travel wants.

We've flown it (SYD-FRA-DME)! Actually this was one of my thoughts about them cancelling QF5 too but I figured I was one of the few. A longish transit in FRA (you can go out and get breakfast & lunch). The JAL lounge serves as a good arrivals lounge in the early morning then try to hit the CX lounge before it shuts in the afternoon. Not sure what would happen if they had to change it, they'd probably reroute SYD-xDXB-LHR-FRA-DME - sounds exhausting!

 

[DrAndyC]

I was turfed off QF LHR-SIN F A380 as well to BA747 . I cancelled it.

 

[Sprucegoose]

The schedules into Asia are still under development and will be changed within the next month. Currently I the only changes that we can see are MEL-SIN and SYD-SIN

Are you an insider??

 

[Sprucegoose]

So they should. P1....They should put you in the coughpit.

That would well be uncomfortable!!!

I recall a senior australian senator when told her flight was full saying 'well put me in the jump seat.....'

 

[dk4]

I'd still pretty much wet myself if QF flies to Berlin.

LOL, well then you probably don't want to hear my thoughts about QF metal returning to Canada! (via DXB of course)

 

[Bundy Bear]

Presumably at which point they will switch to oneworld hub Berlin, flying from Australia via Dubai, perfectly timed for Brandenburg's (latest new) opening date on 27th October 2013?

(Berlin obviously being the key German destination NOT serviced by Emirates from Dubai.)

With the latest tie for AB with Etihad and the new relationship with Air France and KLM who knows which alliance Air Berlin end up with. http://www.australianfrequentflyer....-news/mad-monday-begins-air-france-43915.html

What would be nice is either a PER-DXB or BNE-DXB on the new Qantas 787, then a short DXB-BER or FRA on a Qantas 787 could be possible.

The big problem for Qantas is the cost of staff compared to other airlines, why do you think Jetstar are basing a couple of A330s out of Singapore

I doubt it, I'd still pretty much wet myself if QF flies to Berlin.

:shock: you must fly to Germany fairly often.

 

[Robert Qld]

Berlin is basically my favourite city in Europe. Nothing more then that ;-)

 

[whatmeworry]

If anything they should be moving to Berlin to link with Air Berlin, or encourage Air Berlin to fly to Singapore and code share from there.

AB doesn't have many long distance routes, plus they don't have that many routes across Southern Europe from Berlin.

 

[Isochronous]

I think it would be nice if SIN-FRA is a QF route they keep. Or do S7 fly to HKG or BKK or SIN? In which case we could connect there instead?

 

[dot]

I think it would be nice if SIN-FRA is a QF route they keep. Or do S7 fly to HKG or BKK or SIN? In which case we could connect there instead?

S7 fly to HKG (well a codeshare on GH anyway) and BKK, but not direct to DME, you have to change at OVB (Novosibirsk), so not the best way to get to Moscow but good if you want to maximise your segments.

S7 also fly DXB-OVB , but if you want to get to Moscow easily, changing at DXB and using EK fly DXB-DME with the A380 and B777 (the current schedule for next year arriving on QF9/1 will see an overnight stay at DXB and departing at 9:35 so not a great connection, the later EK flights (and whatever it's QF codeshare number will be) would only have a 4 hour stopover at DXB.

 

[Isochronous]

S7 fly to HKG (well a codeshare on GH anyway) and BKK, but not direct to DME, you have to change at OVB (Novosibirsk), so not the best way to get to Moscow but good if you want to maximise your segments.

S7 also fly DXB-OVB , but if you want to get to Moscow easily, changing at DXB and using EK fly DXB-DME with the A380 and B777 (the current schedule for next year arriving on QF9/1 will see an overnight stay at DXB and departing at 9:35 so not a great connection, the later EK flights (and whatever it's QF codeshare number will be) would only have a 4 hour stopover at DXB.

Who are GH and would it earn status with QF?

Otherwise AY via HEL are probably the best bet

 

[ozmille]

I think it would be nice if SIN-FRA is a QF route they keep.

I wouldn't mind that but please can we have the refurbed aircraft please

 

[Platinum A332]

The schedules into Asia are still under development and will be changed within the next month. Currently I the only changes that we can see are MEL-SIN and SYD-SIN

Do we get any hints as to this? I assume ADL-SIN suspended, PER-SIN down to 1xdaily and BNE-SIN downgraded to 330?

 

[moa999]

I suspect the next changes won't occur until ACCC / other clearances come through (assuming they do)

 

[dot]

Who are GH and would it earn status with QF?

Otherwise AY via HEL are probably the best bet

GH is Globus - A subsidiary of S7 - see Globus on wikipedia), but with a S7 filght number so your would earn points on your QFF account. I don't really understand why what I would have thought would be one of S7's busiest segments is not operated by S7 mainline

You're correct via HEL on AY is a good option (however connecting through LHR is also a good option to maximise miles and still have good connection times). Another is CX on select days of the week allowing a one stop from Australia to DME on two days a week (CX207 - Sun, Fri)

 

[ChrisFlyer]

I'm glad there will still be a BA codeshare running SIN-LHR. Will they also do the same HKG-LHR?

Was just browsing the QF site for Sandy updates, and noticed this on the Major Disruptions page. Note that while the HKG codeshare on BA is ending, the wording of the re-routing options implies that the BKK-LHR codeshare will remain after the EK tie-up is scheduled to begin (in addition to SIN).

[h=2]Customers affected by by the cessation of Qantas Marketed flights operated by British Airways between Hong Kong and London[/h] Effective 31 Mar 2013, the following Qantas marketed flights operated by British Airways between Hong Kong and London will cease:

• QF3525 : Hong Kong - London
• QF3526 : London - Hong Kong
• QF3527 : Hong Kong - London
• QF3528 : London - Hong Kong

[h=3]For customers holding a Qantas (081) issued ticket:[/h] Customer bookings impacted by the cessation of these services will progressively be updated and be confirmed with an alternate option for their travel between Australia and London. The following options are also available to affected Qantas customers holding a valid ticket issued on/before 18 October 2012 for travel on/after 31 March 2013.
Passengers may, without fee:
Re-route/Re-book travel
For Australia - London v.v. customers -
Re-route/Re-book travel between Australia and London via an Australian Gateway (Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, Perth and Adelaide) on:

• Qantas marketed and operated flights to/from London; or
• Qantas marketed and operated flights between Australia and Singapore/Bangkok with connection to Qantas marketed flights operated by British Airways between Singapore/Bangkok and London; or
• Qantas marketed and operated flights to/from Frankfurt connecting to Qantas marketed flights operated by British Airways between Frankfurt and London; or
• Qantas marketed and operated flights to/from Frankfurt connecting to British Airways marketed and operated services between Frankfurt and London

For Australia - intra UK/Europe via London v.v. customers -

• In addition to the options available for Australia - London v.v. customers as listed above, customers that have mis-connections with intra-UK/Europe services (issued on the same ticket as part of a through Qantas fare) as a result of being re-accommodated onto alternate routing/flights may re-book onto alternate oneworld marketed and operated direct flights to/from London (For example British Airways marketed and operated flights, Iberia marketed and operated flights, Finnair marketed and operated flights)

Customers can also return to the origin port via the most direct routing using Qantas marketed and operated flights or Qantas marketed flights operated by British Airways.
Change Destinations
The value of the existing ticket can be used towards the purchase of a new ticket. If the new fare is more expensive than the existing ticketed fare, the fare difference is payable by the passenger. Applicable surcharges, fees and taxes may apply.
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For future travel within 12 months from the original ticketed date of departure. If the new fare is more expensive than the existing ticketed fare, the fare difference is payable by the passenger. Applicable ticket surcharges, fees and taxes may apply.
Refunds:

• For customers who have commenced their journey a refund of the affected sector(s) will be available
• For customers who have not commenced their journey a full refund will be available.
• Refund Requests must be submitted no later than 31 January 2013.

Conditions:

• All changes must be made prior to the original ticketed departure.
• New travel dates must be within ticket validity.
• Re-booking on Qantas (QF) - If the same booking class is not available, the lowest booking class within the same cabin may be booked (e.g. within Business or Economy cabin). Connecting flights to other destinations sold as a separate fare (end on end) issued on the same Qantas ticket will need to be booked as per the fare conditions of the separate fare.
• Re-booking intra-UK/Europe flights on oneworld (British Airways, Finnair, Iberia) marketed and operated direct flights to/from London - If the same booking class is not available, the lowest booking class within the same cabin may be booked (e.g. within Business or Economy cabin).
• Qantas will not be responsible for paying any other costs or expenses such as hotel or other ground operator fees arising due to events beyond our control, unless required by applicable laws.
• Refunds requests must be submitted no later than 31 January 2013.
• All other rules and conditions of the ticket remain unchanged.

[h=3]For customers holding a ticket issued by another carrier (non-081):[/h] Re-route/Re-book travel
For Australia - London v.v. customers -
Re-route/Re-book travel between Australia and London via an Australian Gateway (Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, Perth and Adelaide) on:

• Qantas marketed and operated flights to/from London; or
• Qantas marketed and operated flights between Australia and Singapore/Bangkok with connection to Qantas marketed flights operated by British Airways between Singapore/Bangkok and London; or
• Qantas marketed and operated flights to/from Frankfurt connecting to Qantas marketed flights operated by British Airways between Frankfurt and London; or
• Qantas marketed and operated flights to/from Frankfurt connecting to British Airways marketed and operated services between Frankfurt and London

For Australia - intra UK/Europe via London v.v. customers -

• In addition to the options available for Australia - London v.v. customers as listed above, customers that have mis-connections with intra-UK/Europe services (issued on the same ticket as part of a through Qantas fare) as a result of being re-accommodated onto alternate routing/flights may re-book onto alternate oneworld marketed and operated direct flights to/from London (For example British Airways marketed and operated flights, Iberia marketed and operated flights, Finnair marketed and operated flights)

Customers can also return to the origin port via the most direct routing using Qantas marketed and operated flights or Qantas marketed flights operated by British Airways.
[h=3]For customers with un-ticketed bookings:[/h] For un-ticketed bookings, alternate routings can be rebooked subject to availability and tickets issued in accordance with fare conditions.
[h=3]For customers on Frequent Flyer Award Tickets[/h] Passengers who are travelling on Qantas & Jetstar Any Seat Award tickets are entitled to the same options and conditions as listed above.
Qantas & Partner Classic Awards were not available for sale on these Qantas marketed British Airways operated flights between Hong Kong and London hence there is no Qantas & Partner Classic Award customers being impacted.