Qantas treats Perth like dirt

[dajop]

Some unkind people might suggest Perth treats the rest of WA like dirt

What they dig it up and send it to China for their (Perth's) economic benefit? Seems about right. And I guess that's what QF has done to Perth ... carved it out and sent it to the UAE ;-)

 

[Aussie_flyer]

Having a 744 in Perth just wouldnt work for scheduling. The flight fits into the network from sydney with other 744 services. .. if it flew from Perth it would have to be positioned there from elsewhere making things rather inefficient.

 

[wandering_fred]

Since SYD-PER-JNB is only about 350 miles further than SYD-JNB (great circle routes) some speculators have argued that a stop in PER a couple of days a week would be "productive"

Certainly it would annoy SAA

Happy wandering

Fred

 

[esseeeayeenn]

QF has been and likely always be SYD-centric as an extreme

When they change their motto to "Spirit of Sydney" I will accept that as just the way things are.
While they keep the motto "Spirit of Australia" I will continue to expect them to live up to it.

 

[Franky]

When they change their motto to "Spirit of Sydney" I will accept that as just the way things are.
While they keep the motto "Spirit of Australia" I will continue to expect them to live up to it.

Indeed - in my mind they are 'Spirit of Australia' by name, and 'Spirit of Sydney' in reality..

 

[cove]

We do enjoy the business lounge in Perth. It is very well done and must be supporting the refurbed A320 suites.

 

[marki]

These are the actual examples.
Not an issue raised by a subsequent poster and attributed to me.

Sale options from Sydney
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Sale options from Perth
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Note that Europe is not an option from Perth.

Business fares on sale from Sydney to the South Pacific
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Business fares on sale from Perth to the South Pacific
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Just NZ from Perth.

WTF ....... Europe not an option from Perth????!!! Banging head against wall now!!

 

[cove]

Perth is closest major city to Europe but only partners of QF go there.

 

[marki]

Indeed - in my mind they are 'Spirit of Australia' by name, and 'Spirit of Sydney' in reality..

Sad reality, but AJ should change this totally unfair treatment of the rest of Australia :erm: :erm: :erm: :erm: :erm: in my opinion......

 

[RichardMEL]

Some unkind people might suggest Perth treats the rest of WA like dirt

Irony being that it's the dirt, or what's under it, in WA that has been so important to PER (and the rest of the country)_ for so long

 

[RichardMEL]

I'm going to call it early. PER-LHR will never happen. PER-DXB possible.

Funny I was just thinking this over the weekend

and honestly it would make sense from a number of views.

1. Far better (shorter) connecting times to most of europe from DXB than going all the way to LHR and EK has a HUGE euro network to connect to
2. There had been discussion at one point about a potential 787 base for QF at DXB doing some spoke routes from there - this could be a feeder (no doesn't really make a lot of sense given EK but still it was brought up as an option)
3. connecting via DXB opes up connecting options to the Mid East, Africa and the subcontinent (India) that could work rather nicely (yes, India would be close from SIN but I digress)

In the same way that QF has long been SYD-centric (which I have never liked) it has also been LHR (and LAX) centric as the "go to" places in theory. PER-LHR would be great for the pommy ex-pats, and for connections from ADL and other WA places.. would it work? Hard to know. Opening up DXB (not ignoring the 3? EK departures as it is) could definitely offer up access to europe just as well as a LHR service.

Since QF ditched SIN/BKK/HKG as main hubs for europe in favour of DXB, I think that will also limit things, though expanding the 787 fleet could definitely bring some other asian cities into focus as options for smaller places (eg: bringing back ADL-SIN, or PER-BKK or something). We can hope anyway

 

[docjames]

The question for QF ex-PER is can they make more money deploying a 787 PER-DXB or PER-DXB-BER/FRA or more money just codesharing on EK?

 

[esseeeayeenn]

Funny I was just thinking this over the weekend

and honestly it would make sense from a number of views.

1. Far better (shorter) connecting times to most of europe from DXB than going all the way to LHR and EK has a HUGE euro network to connect to
2. There had been discussion at one point about a potential 787 base for QF at DXB doing some spoke routes from there - this could be a feeder (no doesn't really make a lot of sense given EK but still it was brought up as an option)
3. connecting via DXB opes up connecting options to the Mid East, Africa and the subcontinent (India) that could work rather nicely (yes, India would be close from SIN but I digress)

In the same way that QF has long been SYD-centric (which I have never liked) it has also been LHR (and LAX) centric as the "go to" places in theory. PER-LHR would be great for the pommy ex-pats, and for connections from ADL and other WA places.. would it work? Hard to know. Opening up DXB (not ignoring the 3? EK departures as it is) could definitely offer up access to europe just as well as a LHR service.

Since QF ditched SIN/BKK/HKG as main hubs for europe in favour of DXB, I think that will also limit things, though expanding the 787 fleet could definitely bring some other asian cities into focus as options for smaller places (eg: bringing back ADL-SIN, or PER-BKK or something). We can hope anyway

I'm fairly sure the agreement with EK precludes QF from deploying its own metal PER-DXB.

 

[RichardMEL]

I'm fairly sure the agreement with EK precludes QF from deploying its own metal PER-DXB.

Entirely possible.

 

[wandering_fred]

I'm fairly sure the agreement with EK precludes QF from deploying its own metal PER-DXB.

Perhaps a question for the QF annual share holders meeting from a PER owner?

Why QF metal? EK doesn't have premium economy...

Happy wandering

Fred

 

[UP4014]

I'm fairly sure the agreement with EK precludes QF from deploying its own metal PER-DXB.

And likey the same with QF out of Sydney and SA Perth to JNB. Each is allowed one route.

 

[esseeeayeenn]

And likey the same with QF out of Sydney and SA Perth to JNB. Each is allowed one route.

Well no, because there is no agreement between QF & SA.
So the only limitation is the bilateral civil aviation agreement between Australia and South Africa.
The Australian Register of Available Capacity states that Australian carriers are entitled to operate 14 flights each way each week to Johannesburg, Capetown or Durban.
Services to other cities are unrestricted.
As far as I can tell QF are only using six slots per week, with QF63 SYD-JNB and QF64 JNB-SYD each operating every day except Wednesday.
So that would leave 8 slots each way each week open for use.

 

[dajop]

Why all this talk of QF being Sydney-centric, they're a bit more rugby centric perhaps? BNE, for it's size punches above its weight with QF services.

Perhaps QF could consider the "MEL" solution out of PER, with more Jetstar international flights .... Interesting to compare number of QF vs JQ international destinations at Australian airports (including NZ & PNG):

SYD - QF 20 + 2 seasonal, JQ 7
BNE - QF 8+1 seasonal, soon to be 9 with PMB, JQ 2, soon to be 1
MEL- QF 7, soon to be 8 with CHC resumption, JQ 10
PER - QF 1 + 1 seasonal, JQ 2
CNS - QF 1, soon to be 0, JQ 3

And then Jetstar only airports OOL (6), DRW (2), ADL (1), TSV (1).

 

[esseeeayeenn]

Perhaps QF could consider the "MEL" solution out of PER, with more Jetstar international flights

Wash your mouth out with soap.

 

[UP4014]

Well no, because there is no agreement between QF & SA.
So the only limitation is the bilateral civil aviation agreement between Australia and South Africa.
The Australian Register of Available Capacity states that Australian carriers are entitled to operate 14 flights each way each week to Johannesburg, Capetown or Durban.
Services to other cities are unrestricted.
As far as I can tell QF are only using six slots per week, with QF63 SYD-JNB and QF64 JNB-SYD each operating every day except Wednesday.
So that would leave 8 slots each way each week open for use.

So there is you answer to the question on why QF don't fly from Perth to JNB. There isn't enough people and spreading the routes more thinly only increases your operating costs of more routes over the same passengers plus the why compete with another airline on that route if you can get 100% out of the largest Australian city.

Matt