QF bans pax for 7yrs re touching allegation

[Hvr]

Qantas bans passenger for seven years over touching allegation

Qantas has knocked back a man’s appeal against his no-fly ban, informing him that he is alleged to have touched the breast of the woman beside him.

www.smh.com.au

He is banned from flying with any airline in the Qantas Group or Jetstar Group, or any code-share flights including those operated by Emirates, from purchasing any flight on a Qantas-issued ticket, and from entering the Qantas lounge based on his frequent flyer status or as the guest of another passenger. The suspension will be lifted in November 2030.

 

[Pushka]

Qantas bans passenger for seven years over touching allegation

Qantas has knocked back a man’s appeal against his no-fly ban, informing him that he is alleged to have touched the breast of the woman beside him.

www.smh.com.au

It’s paywalled unfortunately. Seems harsh given it’s not been proven but then I’m guessing from what I could read.

 

[cjd600]

It’s paywalled unfortunately. Seems harsh given it’s not been proven but then I’m guessing from what I could read.

Yes, difficult to get abreast of the situation

 

[Princess Fiona]

It’s paywalled unfortunately. Seems harsh given it’s not been proven but then I’m guessing from what I could read.

Have read the article. Not harsh at all IMHO.
Glad that QF banned him.
Different non paywalled link below

Daily Mail UK

 

[Quickstatus]

Yeah nah, I fail to see how his version of events would actually make any difference.

I wonder why 7 years. Sounds arbitrary especially given other misconduct that seems to happen on airplanes.

 

[JohnK]

Article very light on actual information of what occurred? Just allegations and presumption of guilt.

 

[muppet]

I’d love to know where is “between the arm and the breast”? If he touched the breast, pretty sure they’d claim that in defending the 7 year ban - so he obviously didn't - so where is “in between”.

 

[nancypants]

I’m trying to get my head around the seating configuration- any idea? Business class or what?

 

[MEL_Traveller]

I’m trying to get my head around the seating configuration- any idea? Business class or what?

a380 economy, block of three. window, centre and aisle.

Woman in middle seat, husband in middle seat the row behind.

Once woman in middle seat leaves, man moves from window to centre.

 

[p--and--t]

For two women to complain about same guy in same flight, enough to warrant action methinks.

 

[JohnK]

Woman in middle seat, husband in middle seat the row behind.

And they made no effort to move or attempt to sit together?

There's already huge doubt in my mind anything occurred. Where did the woman sit after the alleged assault? Business class? Where was the husband?

Also Singapore police issued a warning after investigating for 4 hours? Judging someone guilty on the word of someone else without further proof is a place we do not want society to go especially when you start to crucify innocent people.

 

[muppet]

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Also Singapore police issued a warning after investigating for 4 hours? Judging someone guilty on the word of someone else without further proof is a place we do not want society to go especially when you start to crucify innocent people.

Agreed, Singapore is notoriously conservative - if its police couldn’t find a charge to stick the allegation must have been on the lighter side.

That said, simple rules for being in public - don’t touch others.

 

[Jabberwocky]

If the man had indeed touched the woman on the breast or inner thigh (as she allegedly told Qantas), right now he would be serving three year's jail term in Singapore. It is understood she told the Singaporean police a different story to what she told Qantas. Economy was full; premium economy was full - she was upgraded to business or first. At no time did she ask the man to switch seats with her husband - using such a claim to get an upgrade is revolting. Men will be too scared to sit next to any woman on long haul flights.

 

[p--and--t]

It is understood she told the Singaporean police a different story to what she told Qantas

Where is this information?

she was upgraded to business or first

Where is this information

first. At no time did she ask the man to switch seats with her

Relevance?

f the man had indeed touched the woman on the breast or inner thigh (as she allegedly told Qantas), right now he would be serving three year's jail term in Singapore

Police need concrete evidence to arrest. Then it needs to go to court. Totally presumptive to assume what a judge might decide . Pure unsubstantiated conjecture



Hmmm first time poster, only registered minutes before this. Credibility?

 

[p--and--t]

And they made no effort to move or attempt to sit together?

How do you know this and is it relevant

I have been assigned a seat separate to my partner on more than one occasion and if the cabin is full what option do you have. If they are middle seats, who is going to swap with you unless they are also a separated couple.

Why did a second woman report him for buying her drinks she didn’t want?

Why did he move to the middle seat to annoy another person?

Think about how many threads there are about QF doesnt care about its passengers and doesnt take any action. Something’s happened here for the crew to actually move into the seat alongside him and not in their crew seats. QF isnt going to risk being on the front page for nothing

 

[Quickstatus]

How does this compare with the lifetime ban for a Perth fellow who piefaced AJ?

Per conditions of Carriage:
What does Qantas consider to be "reasonable"

 

[p--and--t]

Now does this compare with the lifetime ban for a Perth fellow who Piefaced AJ?

How is that relevant to the thread?

 

[Quickstatus]

relevant

Of course it's relevant. One is lifetime one is 7 years. Then at other times there does not appear to be any sinbin for other indiscretions. As per my other post as well how does the airline work out the duration of the sin bin. It used the word "reasonable". What does that mean?

 

[p--and--t]

Of course it's relevant. One is lifetime one is 7 years. Then at other times there does not appear to be any sinbin for other indiscretions. As per my other post as well how does the airline work out the duration of the sin bin. It used the word "reasonable". What does that mean?

One is a proven assault and battery charge that the police have evidence for not on a flight that the person was arrested and charged for. nothing to do with conditions of carriage.

This thread is about alleged sexual assault on a long haul flight in international territory.

I fail to see the relevance at all.

 

[justinbrett]

Of course it's relevant. One is lifetime one is 7 years. Then at other times there does not appear to be any sinbin for other indiscretions. As per my other post as well how does the airline work out the duration of the sin bin. It used the word "reasonable". What does that mean?

Well for one, he pleaded guilty to assault & trespass at the Perth Magistrates court, and was given a spent conviction.

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