QF-EK broken promises

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I think it's not unreasonable to want to avoid Dubai. I lived in the Middle East for several years and my wife will NEVER fly via the Middle East again, even flying J and with an Australian passport because she is of South East Asian origin her experiences on occasions have been interesting.
Whilst on most occasions the Emirate officials will turn a blind eye to the activities of Westerners, the fact remains that homosexuality etc is illegal and can present problems for travellers. Many expats seem to forget the law applies, but those who have lived there long enough will have witnessed injustice and know that things can turn sour quickly without any reasonable process to appeal.
I was lucky that whilst I worked in the MIddle East I had some kind of immunity to many issues due to my position. But we certainly had challenges, especially when my wife had a car crash in the UAE where she wasn't at fault but suddenly was at fault...
Singapore transits are our preference now!
 
I think it's not unreasonable to want to avoid Dubai.....
.. the fact remains that homosexuality etc is illegal and can present problems for travellers. Many expats seem to forget the law applies, but those who have lived there long enough will have witnessed injustice and know that things can turn sour quickly without any reasonable process to appeal.

Starting to get OT here. It is worth remembering that homosexuality is also illegal in Singapore, Malaysia,....
 
Whilst on most occasions the Emirate officials will turn a blind eye to the activities of Westerners, the fact remains that homosexuality etc is illegal and can present problems for traveller

Male same-sex sexual activity is illegal in Singapore too - though the law is not generally enforced. In Malaysia, former opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim is imprisoned currently for sodomy. My friend who was imprisoned in Changi for allegedly shoplifting sunglasses while in transit suggests to me that care must be taken at many common stopover / transit airports used by airlines servicing Australia.
 
Last two travel to Europe via Dubai with QF and EM was not that good experience even though I love Dubai lounge and food. One thing I hate is, the moment you are out of the plane and before transit you have to go through this hideous security barrier which I have not seen anywhere. After flying long haul who want to go thorough a security barrier for next flight. Why have this for transit?

Exactly the same applies at LHR, HKG, SYD - if you are in transit, you go through security before re-entering the departures level.
 
I seem to remember that with QF and other airlines for European flights from the 70's, we had 20kg in economy and some 32kg in J.

Why does anyone, apart from very special occasions, need 100kg of luggage? I'm trying to get below 18kg for 4 weeks in Europe flying F! :)

Is it not that for QF (and EK and others) that the baggage allowances are essentially universally agreed between all airline alliances?

The 96kg I had from the US to Melbourne was very useful when I wanted to bring back a (flatpacked) table!
 
And really, I LOVE bacon, but there are often periods of 24 and even 48 hours together when I don't eat it. There are much more important options on a flight - the seat, the service, the entertainment and the champagne all spring to mind.
I don't have bacon every day either but what's wrong with offering me the choice of pork on some flights? If you don't like pork you can choose one of the other meals.

And the QF/EK alliance is a crock. I could not access the EK lounge in BNE the other flying QF yet I can access the EK lounge in SIN/HKG flying QF. Makes no sense.
 
I don't have bacon every day either but what's wrong with offering me the choice of pork on some flights? If you don't like pork you can choose one of the other meals.

And the QF/EK alliance is a crock. I could not access the EK lounge in BNE the other flying QF yet I can access the EK lounge in SIN/HKG flying QF. Makes no sense.

QF do offer you the choice of pork on some flights.
In common with VA, BA and various other airlines that choice does not extend to flights to and from the Middle East.

If you don't agree with this, don't fly there. Quite simple.
What is a crock is this issue even making it onto a list of broken promises with the Alliance.
 
QF do offer you the choice of pork on some flights.
In common with VA, BA and various other airlines that choice does not extend to flights to and from the Middle East.

If you don't agree with this, don't fly there. Quite simple.
What is a crock is this issue even making it onto a list of broken promises with the Alliance.

Good point on the fact it's not a broken promise.

However, and this might be best in another thread (though I'm quite sure there'd never be a consensus), I'm not sure why this has to be the case. Should all flights to India (generalisation) lack beef? We're all different in this world and imposing of others beliefs doesn't seem to be leading us down the right path, yet it happens time and again. Why should food service be any different? :p
 
Good point on the fact it's not a broken promise.

However, and this might be best in another thread (though I'm quite sure there'd never be a consensus), I'm not sure why this has to be the case. Should all flights to India (generalisation) lack beef? We're all different in this world and imposing of others beliefs doesn't seem to be leading us down the right path, yet it happens time and again. Why should food service be any different? :p

We could debate this until the cows come home !! :lol:

The fact is menu restrictions based on destination are an unavoidable fact of business for airlines whether they (or we) agree with it or not.
To single out QF for having a Halal food menu to and from the Middle East is a total distraction from some of the other quite reasonable points that have been raised.
 
We could debate this until the cows come home !! :lol:

The fact is menu restrictions based on destination are an unavoidable fact of business for airlines whether they (or we) agree with it or not.
To single out QF for having a Halal food menu to and from the Middle East is a total distraction from some of the other quite reasonable points that have been raised.

i am debating this. Until the who what comes home? You are right QF should not be singled out all the time. I do wonder the relevance of such decisions however. I would be happy having an airline with a different line up of food. Part of that is the attraction. But I might be missing the point here.
 
After the recent announcement of yet another QF enhancement on EK flights I started thinking of all the other things that either failed to happen or have been withdrawn after AJ's grand announcement that the EK-QF partnership would bring us the best of both airlines. This has, sadly, not been the case with far too many QF enhancements and failure to implement. It would be interesting (to me at least) to create a list of what has been gained and lost. All the more so as it is my understanding that the ACC allowed the partnership on the basis that the best of both would be offered (happy to be corrected if this is not the case). Regardless AJ put it in print in the in flight mag that we would always get the better deal.

Herewith the start of the list:

1 55% decrease in checked baggage allowance: was 4 x 32 kg, now 60 kg (J & WP)
2 loss of common-rated destinations when travelling via LHR (yes I know some do not like LHR but I need to stop in London so this is real downside to me)
3 loss of BA JSA
4 no premium economy on EK
5 loss of QFi metal from PER, ADL, BNE etc
6 loss of stopover in HKG, SIN, BKK w onward flights direct to Europe using QFi or QF codeshare
7 massive loss of SC & FF points when flying partner airlines (& loss of codeshare on these flights)
(some might argue that 6 & & 7 are not EK-QF partnership issues but the loss of the BA JSA, the CX codeshare etc followed on from this)
8 no pork (e.g. bacon) on QF1, 2, 9, 10 (a cooked breakfast without bacon???)
9 no alcohol in the food (so how can it be called a trifle?)
10 progressive winding back of QFF earning on EK flights
11 increase in prices (there were some great deals immediately after the tie up but these are just a distant memory)
12 CD: great if flying Aus-LHR but we were promised progressive roll out on all long haul routes.
13 loss of QFi to FRA

I think you are using the EK tie up as an excuse here. So lets go through some of the points:

1. luggage AFAIK was never 4 x 32kg. It was 3 x 32kg, and it had been up and down well before the EK tie up. Personally I would never use 60kg let along 96kg.. Have you ever used that much luggage?
2. which destinations?
3. the JSA was going to end regardless. QF filled what would have been a void. Lets no forget BA diluting QP privileges well before the JSA ended.
4. was PE on EK ever promised?
5. QF didn't have the capacity to meet the needs.. of course they could have still pulled out and there would be no other options right? Don't blame the JSA for them pulling out. They simply needed to focus on routes that were more profitable.
6. how many codeshares into Europe were there before? really CX was the only hub and how many codeshares did they have already? not many. really only AY and BA. AY is still there. Sure i miss them as a stopover but still flew to LHR via HKG in 2014
7. has nothing to do with the EK tie up.. that was a separate decision.
8. meh, as much as i love my bacon I can live without it on a flight. and as you've said you don't eat bacon so I don't see the point. They also don't serve port on the CGK routes either.
9. Can't say I've ever had trifle onboard.. but really if i want alcohol, i'll get a drink..
10. I can't recall what changes were made on EK flight numbers.
11. airline prices ALWAYS fluctuate. so how is that a broken promise?
12. didn't EK roll it back too? mind you was CD there before the EK tie up?
13. the talk about that stopping was well before the EK tie up too. low yields so why keep it flying? should they lose money on a route to keep you happy?

I'm sorry but your broken promise list isn't really that at all.. It's really just a list of gripes.
 
Good point on the fact it's not a broken promise.

However, and this might be best in another thread (though I'm quite sure there'd never be a consensus), I'm not sure why this has to be the case. Should all flights to India (generalisation) lack beef? We're all different in this world and imposing of others beliefs doesn't seem to be leading us down the right path, yet it happens time and again. Why should food service be any different? :p

I don't think anyone's beliefs are being imposed on anyone else, rather the airlines are making a commercial decision based on where they're flying and what passengers' dietary requirements are likely to be. So yes, it seems reasonable that given there are likely to be a lot of Hindus flying to and from India, an airline might choose to serve chicken or lamb rather than beef. Or flying to the Middle East (or Israel, for that matter), they may avoid pork. Because it will keep the greatest number of their passengers happy and fed.

For or those of us without cultural reasons for avoiding particular foods, it's not even really an imposition. I can eat pig anytime (and do!) so if I get chicken on the plane, well, I just hope it's tasty!
 
We could debate this until the cows come home !! :lol:

The fact is menu restrictions based on destination are an unavoidable fact of business for airlines whether they (or we) agree with it or not.
To single out QF for having a Halal food menu to and from the Middle East is a total distraction from some of the other quite reasonable points that have been raised.
No. They have a halal food menu to/from LHR but still provide alcohol. No need for further debate as it makes no sense to have this restriction on food.
 
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Good point on the fact it's not a broken promise.

However, and this might be best in another thread (though I'm quite sure there'd never be a consensus), I'm not sure why this has to be the case. Should all flights to India (generalisation) lack beef? We're all different in this world and imposing of others beliefs doesn't seem to be leading us down the right path, yet it happens time and again. Why should food service be any different? :p

Redirect - forget cultural sensitivities....

Please explain to me why any single food item (or even food group) should be a requirement on an airline or route??

Seriously? Flip the argument right around.

I like Nutella - so why should I not be able to demand that every airline serve it as an option.

Or Coco Pops for the breakfast option, or smoked salmon, or peking duck for that matter (you do realise just how delicious peking duck is right??).

Or why we are inflicted with Neil Perry new age cough all the time - I really like the Neil Perry Old School cough - but they don't serve it.... Should I have the right to demand it - and complain when I don't get my chocolate bread and butter pudding.

Samh004 - I know you loved that pudding too mate.

If you get offered Chicken or Beef on your next Perth flight - are you gonna complain that there's no pork?

So - you can argue why things aren't served on a flight/airline/route - or you can accept that your favorite food items may or may not appear onboard an aircraft cabin at any particular time.

I think it's utterly ridiculous for anyone to be demanding any particular type of food to be included in the options at any time on any airline.

There's a reason generic (hot or cold) or (meat or vege) options are generally provided - so that most people get something that they are ok with.

Special meals are available for those with specific requirements.

There is no, and has never been any special provision for the airline to include your favourite items.
 
Redirect - forget cultural sensitivities....

Please explain to me why any single food item (or even food group) should be a requirement on an airline or route??

There's a reason generic (hot or cold) or (meat or vege) options are generally provided - so that most people get something that they are ok with.

There is no, and has never been any special provision for the airline to include your favourite items.

This.

Due to the difficulties of forecasting demand for each meal type, airlines need to ensure that the options offered are acceptable to the vast majority of passengers. The approach taken by many airlines on ME flights is pragmatic and common sense.
 
Sad to see reading comprehension skills on AFF have not greatly improved in the month or so I've been absent.

Those people nit-picking the list in the OP as "not a broken promise" are missing the point. The OP never claimed that every item on the list was a specific promise that had been broken. The only specific promise referred to was this:

AJ's grand announcement that the EK-QF partnership would bring us the best of both airlines

The itemised list simply enumerates a number of examples where the partnership has not brought the best of both airlines.
 
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