QF32 388 - emergency landing in SIN after Engine failure

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Again, all I can say is WTF:!:

If that's all you can say is that then I'll say it back. WTF. If you want to question something how about raising a valid point?

I think it is an indicator of the MO of Singapore government owned enterprises that might explain the questions people are raising about SQ and A380s
 
Probably about 10 years former and it was SPC that he put in the frame. Very interesting story about his experience during testing loading of a supertanker. Also that SPC undercut the competitors massively to do the testing. $400 to have 2 people take samples every hour for 24 hours? And technically complex samples to collect as well. Got to be some corners being cut somewhere.

I honestly doubt fuel quality was a factor, it just does not make any common sense, if it was an issue with a production run then there would have been more issues that day than just with two QF aircraft in 24 hours, it would also have likely affected all the engines on QF32.

While quality control is an issue in some developing countries, Singapore has been well past that tag for a long time in the way it works, and it has too much at risk to play games or not make sure things are spot on. Now the quality of fuel at SUB is a different story altogether I suspect, not sure we have heard the last on that but lets leave that for another thread at another time.
 
I honestly doubt fuel quality was a factor,

I agree and I thought that was clear from the post when I raised it. That was the second bit where I said it indicated something that might explain the SQ response.
 
Channel 7 has just mentioned leaked documents this morning on Sunrise. Their comments- how the pilots had trouble shutting down engine no.1

It is funny as that bit of info was very evident when the images of the incident came about in the first place.
 
Channel 7 has just mentioned leaked documents this morning on Sunrise. Their comments- how the pilots had trouble shutting down engine no.1

It is funny as that bit of info was very evident when the images of the incident came about in the first place.

Leaked from who, the unions again? If so they must seriously be getting close to winding up in court. And I don’t see why they’d want to leak a document about the engine not shutting down, we all already know that.
 
I didn't see anything new in this "leaked' report or the "exclusive" stories today. Its stuff that's been reported on the internet for a few days now.
 
I didn't see anything new in this "leaked' report or the "exclusive" stories today. Its stuff that's been reported on the internet for a few days now.

There's absolutely nothing new about the story whatsoever. The media is inferring there was all this other stuff wrong with the plane but fail to explain that these issues were a side effect of the explosion in the no. 2 engine. :evil: :evil:

They're simply not smart enough to figure it out or if they just let the punters think these are new findings because the real cause is old news now & they want the public to think they've stumbled across something new (which of course they haven't) so they can keep slagging off at QF!

Yet still no journalist even questions why SQ or LH keep flying their A380's with the same engines & I bet it hasn't even occurred to the passengers travelling on A380 flights with these airlines that there could be something amiss & SQ & LH are gambling with the lives of their passengers.

Why not? Because it's only been Qantas on the news. Maybe if the media were interested in actually reporting the truth (now there's a scary thought) about SQ & LH, passengers might wake up to themselves.

I would be interested to hear the response from a passenger should a journalist interview them & ask how they felt about SQ's blatant disregard for passenger safety but not grounding their A380's.

Wonder how many contra F tickets on SQ wind up on the desks of No News sub-editors?
 
There is a PPRuNe thread about EK changing an engine on an A380 in early 2009,that was apparently due to the engine having broken fan blades and dumping all it's oil.
I know that the engines are different to the RR Trents but it does sort of make me wonder whether there are any issues with hydraulic systems on the A380.
Emirates A380 - Engine Change - EGLL - Page 2 - PPRuNe Forums
 
Looks like Emirates had to shut down an engine mid-flight.

QUICK. Call Steve Purvinas. It's that overseas maintenance again that caused that particular issue ;)

Seriously, it does show how little media in Australia cares about the truth.
 
Hey all,

I just joined up here after finally getting back to Sydney. I was on QF32.

I just want to say that the Pilots and Crew did an absolutely FANTASTIC job in looking after us and getting all the PAX on the ground.

No matter what you all read in the press (and believe me I've read most of it), it is ALL cough.

QF must be commended here. They did a great job under the circumstances and looked after all of the PAX on board. Timely updates and heaps of phone calls to tell me what was going on. They really did have it sorted, given what was going on.

Top marks QF, I will fly with you again.
 
Great post cirqueboy :cool: I think many of your fellow passengers would share you view, hence why you were not interviewed by the media (they are only interested in the 'I feared I would die' type of passenger). The skills of the pilots and crew are only realised in a situation like this.

Unfortunately the media's hysteria will impact some people who believe everything they read - hopefully when you are everyone on the Qf32 fly overseas again, you will remember the positives from the incidents, and not be influenced by the hysteria by the media and the unions.
 
"hence why you were not interviewed by the media"

HA! Me interviewed by the media? No way, I'd run a mile!
 
But for Airbus, the location of the various manufacturing processes was more about politics than efficiency. Each country lobbied hard and even threatened the overall viability of the project in an effort to ensure their local labour targets and associated local economic benefits were achieved. Politics, not production efficiency, was the driver.

Indeed, remember how the frogs and crouts stuffed up the electrical wiring (failed to communicate effectively) and delayed proceedings by about two years. Old Europe!!

Fly In Fly Out, there’s no reason why a similar system used in the mines here couldn’t be used to get skilled workers to the factories where the Airbus’ are manufactured in Europe, instead of having factories scattered among countries and driving the costs up because of this. It’s crazy!
Got it!

I have only ever used it in construction or mining, never manufacturing!!
 
Cirqueboy thank you for your post.Qantas training got QF32 back on the runway and that was fantastic.
 
I'd love to know what Qantas said to the passengers on the ground after they left the plane that made them say only nice things about Qantas as they walked through the media. From what I could see most of them said nothing to the waiting media.

Most people want nothing to do with the media.

To suggest Qantas could manipulate their image by controlling what people said or didnt is sheer fantasy!

I would say people would have reported what they evidenced and felt based on what actually transpired. Even in media manipulated Singapore.
 
Looks like Emirates had to shut down an engine mid-flight.

Incident: Emirates A388 over Germany on Nov 18th 2010, engine shut down in flight

I am totally aware that these are different issues, but something like that on a certain carrier would have made the news for sure...

Yes, of course the media would go feral. Again.

Not much info out there on this shutdown. Curious that EK say it was a fuel pump issue...you would have to lose two pumps for that to happen, and even then the engine should operate at lower levels with gravity feed. Three engined flight will use about 15% more fuel than normal...wonder what the arrival fuel figure was?

There is a PPRuNe thread about EK changing an engine on an A380 in early 2009,that was apparently due to the engine having broken fan blades and dumping all it's oil.
I know that the engines are different to the RR Trents but it does sort of make me wonder whether there are any issues with hydraulic systems on the A380.
Emirates A380 - Engine Change - EGLL - Page 2 - PPRuNe Forums
Firstly, pprune is a very suspect source of information. Whilst there are some gems on there, they are surrounded by a sea of gibberish.

Having read the thread, I see no mention of hydraulic systems. Oil yes, but not hydraulic oil.

The A380 hydraulic system is quite different in concept to, for instance, the 747. In the case of the 747, there are four systems (but note that not all are involved in any particular operation). Each has an engine driven pump, and a demand pump. The demand pumps of 1 & 4 are electric, and those of 2 & 3 are air driven. You need either both pumps to fail, or to lose the hydraulic fluid to lose a system entirely. Loss of either pump has little effect. Flaps and slats have backup drive (one air driven, one electric). Landing gear will of course gravity extend, and only involves 1 & 4. Flight control surfaces are handled by all of the systems. The smaller jets, i.e. 767, have three systems.

The A380 on the other hand has only two systems, running at 5000 psi. These are driven by two mechanical pumps on each engine. So, if you lose an engine, you lose both of the pumps from that engine, but the system will still be pressurised by the two pumps on the other engine. Lose two engines on the same side, and you will also lose that hydraulic system. The use of these two systems is spread across the aircraft, with, for instance, individual control panels sometimes powered by one or the other, and sometimes both systems. Landing gear is split, with the nose and wing done by the G system (left), and the body gear by the Y system. So, on first glance, the A380 doesn't have the redundancy of the 747. But...there is another system. Basically, some of the actuators are electro/hydraulic systems (there are a couple of types, but the theory is the same). These are self contained systems that contain hydraulic fluid and pump, and will operate as long as they have electricity. I don't know the total number on the aircraft, but they are numerous. They are mostly involved in the flight controls, and the upshot is that even will the loss of both of the hydraulic systems, the pilot still has control of the aircraft. Flaps/slats will actuate electrically, and the landing gear will be extended by gravity.
 
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Most people want nothing to do with the media.

To suggest Qantas could manipulate their image by controlling what people said or didnt is sheer fantasy!

I would say people would have reported what they evidenced and felt based on what actually transpired. Even in media manipulated Singapore.

Having seen the media at work a couple of times over the years..it's pretty easy to see their modus operandi...basically you find the most upset looking, or loudest person, and go with whatever they say. People who are calm and reasonable, are not good news, and whilst interviewed, rarely seem to be in the limelight for long. Basically they just find someone who wants to be on TV.
 
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