QP Perth epic fail tonight

[Cynicor]

And for those who think miners shouldn't be in the lounge because their employer pays for the flights that gift them status, look at your boarding pass, who pays for your flights. I am without spastics here but I'm guessing that the vast majority of members who obtain status do it with the help of their employers paid for flights.

Self funded Gold & Platinum do exist here, but I would imagine in the minority.

Self funded gold with self funded plat parents, none of whom wear hi-vis. But I had to like your comment mainly because you are "without spastics," rather than statistics. Good old autocorrect.

 

[mannej]

And for those who think miners shouldn't be in the lounge because their employer pays for the flights that gift them status, look at your boarding pass, who pays for your flights. I am without spastics here but I'm guessing that the vast majority of members who obtain status do it with the help of their employers paid for flights.

There is a bit of an oops in there.

 

[The Rok]

Damn it. Fail fail fail

 

[TomVexille]

Hi vis is just a form of uniform. No different to a chefs uniform, police man, nurse, pilot or the poli in a suit.

Singlets and tank tops and not uniforms. Big difference. It ****s me to tears to continually hear people bang on about how "hi vis" = riff raff. Bull cough.

The clothes don't define the person.

Probably half of all hi vis brigade in the lounge are qualified professionals. Engineers, geologists, survey, high voltage electricians, HD Fitters. All experienced professionals. Hardly what you would classify as an unruly mob.

Well said.

 

[RooFlyer]

Hi vis is just a form of uniform. No different to a chefs uniform, police man, nurse, pilot or the poli in a suit.

Singlets and tank tops and not uniforms. Big difference. It ****s me to tears to continually hear people bang on about how "hi vis" = riff raff. Bull cough.

The clothes don't define the person.

Probably half of all hi vis brigade in the lounge are qualified professionals. Engineers, geologists, survey, high voltage electricians, HD Fitters. All experienced professionals. Hardly what you would classify as an unruly mob.

Before casting judgement on others, perhaps take a good hard look in the mirror and try to see what other people see in you before you cast aspersions on me.

Sometimes I look at some of the folk on site in hi vis and I wonder to myself, "how do you survive on a minesite" ?? Your too prim & proper. And yet they wear hi vis!

And for those who think miners shouldn't be in the lounge because their employer pays for the flights that gift them status, look at your boarding pass, who pays for your flights. I am without statistics here but I'm guessing that the vast majority of members who obtain status do it with the help of their employers paid for flights.

Self funded Gold & Platinum do exist here, but I would imagine in the minority.

Ditto to TomVexille - well said!!

 

[Pushka]

Hi vis is just a form of uniform. No different to a chefs uniform, police man, nurse, pilot or the poli in a suit.

Singlets and tank tops and not uniforms. Big difference. It ****s me to tears to continually hear people bang on about how "hi vis" = riff raff. Bull cough.

The clothes don't define the person.

Probably half of all hi vis brigade in the lounge are qualified professionals. Engineers, geologists, survey, high voltage electricians, HD Fitters. All experienced professionals. Hardly what you would classify as an unruly mob.

Before casting judgement on others, perhaps take a good hard look in the mirror and try to see what other people see in you before you cast aspersions on me.

Sometimes I look at some of the folk on site in hi vis and I wonder to myself, "how do you survive on a minesite" ?? Your too prim & proper. And yet they wear hi vis!

And for those who think miners shouldn't be in the lounge because their employer pays for the flights that gift them status, look at your boarding pass, who pays for your flights. I am without statistics here but I'm guessing that the vast majority of members who obtain status do it with the help of their employers paid for flights.

Self funded Gold & Platinum do exist here, but I would imagine in the minority.

I don't think hi vis says anything bad about the person. It's just not appropriate clothing in a club. Just like me wearing gym gear. I wouldn't expect a chef to wear their uniform either.

How a person earns their status has nothing to do with what they should or shouldn't wear. That's a red herring.

 

[thommo50]

I think a lot of you are confusing miners with people that are actually FIFO construction or offshore oil/gas workers. Miners tend to be better behaved and most live in Perth, FIFO construction workers tend to be the drunk obnoxious types, and they get their flights paid all the way to their home port by their company.

LOL we`re finished with miners? Now onto construction workers ha-ha, anyone else we can put s..........t on? no wonder I don't like lounges much, there seems to be a lot of snobbery going on. I've never had any problem with the workers in high vis in the 4 years I've been travelling Perth Sydney.

 

[dmitri]

I think miners wearing a hi-vis long sleeve shirt and pants with a hi-vis strip on them are much more appropriate in the qantas club that some people wearing a set of busted old things, board shorts and a bintang singlet, which I see every week flying from Brisbane and Sydney. I have been a fly in fly out worker for 7 years and have never worn my work clothes to the airport. Most of the time the mine workers are dressed this way because they are going straight to the mine site and its easier to wear your work kit than take extra carry on luggage. The same goes for flying home, they come straight from the mine to airport with out the chance to go back to their camp for a shower and change. If they have been in a office all day, they are most likely not dirty or sweaty so don't see the need to get changed. A business man walking around a city like Brisbane or Sydney in a suit in the middle of summer would work up much more of a sweat and smell than most office based mine site workers and I bet no one would say much about that.

 

[The Rok]

By the way. The "Third Force In Iron Ore" demands as a standard that all employees & contractors arrive to site "work ready"

Failure to get off that plane in your work gear (minus boots) will result in staying in camp for the day without pay.

 

[ADLFF]

I was in the VA lounge in Perth a week ago, Monday Arvo and 4 hours to kill as only 3 flights a day out to my destination and I missed getting an early on the second one. Had a German backpacking friend with me, and we literally drained the Bar of Kopparberg Ciders.. Not one question asked.. Just kept supplying them 2 at a time.. Grand total of I think 18.. Thanks for all the fish.. An I wasn't even wearing Hi Vis!

 

[Reggie]

By the way. The "Third Force In Iron Ore" demands as a standard that all employees & contractors arrive to site "work ready"

Failure to get off that plane in your work gear (minus boots) will result in staying in camp for the day without pay.

Well said. Some contractors require this when their staff are flying the first and second force as well. The thing with the third force is there are no commercial pax on the flights, unlike the others.

 

[eastwest101]

Well said. Some contractors require this when their staff are flying the first and second force as well. The thing with the third force is there are no commercial pax on the flights, unlike the others.

Well said - in my experience most of the companies and contractors whom are asking for "work ready" on flying into site are typically chartering their own aircraft, having said that - the aircraft could be pure charter Rex, Alliance, Skippers etc or may be mixing it up with RPT flights with non-mining passengers. Flying off-site is a bit of a mixed bag, the onwards flights (sometimes/often not paid for by employers/contractors) are again a mixed bag, YMMV.

I have heard management take different positions on this in the past, from the "stay in civvies due to policy" all the way through to "have them in work clothes and representing the company" (which also makes it possible to target the very rare groups/individuals who do cause complaints). Harassing/annoying airline staff is always garanteed a fast way to get a long/permanent holiday from work.

As others have said - its a behavioral thing, and bad manners is just bad manners no matter what you are wearing. I would love to hear from any airline staff on their opinion of the matter.

My employer trusts me enough not to make an cough of myself and in return I haven't given them any reason to complain or worry about it at all.... I wish all employer/employee relationships could be as "adult" as this.

 

[zachary.august]

Hygiene and clothing are easily the two most important things whilst travelling. If people stop treating air travel like glorified buses then the experience will be better than a glorified bus. Bintangs, footy shorts, thongs, singlets all of it is unacceptable. A clean t-shirt and shorts with proper footwear should be the minimum

 

[harvyk]

Hygiene and clothing are easily the two most important things whilst travelling. If people stop treating air travel like glorified buses then the experience will be better than a glorified bus. Bintangs, footy shorts, thongs, singlets all of it is unacceptable. A clean t-shirt and shorts with proper footwear should be the minimum

Why is air travel something more than a flying bus? Esp when talking Y?

 

[Pushka]

Why is air travel something more than a flying bus? Esp when talking Y?

Can't open the windows to get fresh air?

 

[JohnK]

I think you'll find many people on here look down on anyone who wears any high-vis

Not look down. It is really inappropriate clothing away from the work site.

Just like it would be inappropriate to wear any other work uniforms away from the work site. I am not sure why we are giving miners, mining construction etc special dispensation.

Would it be OK for car mechanics to wear overalls everywhere? Butchers? Painters? Construction workers? It is bad enough seeing them on trains with their work gear and eskis.

 

[Danger]

We've gone well off topic. There are plenty of 'what's appropriate lounge attire?' threads on AFF to continue the current line of discussion.

 

[Happy Trails]

Not look down. It is really inappropriate clothing away from the work site.

Just like it would be inappropriate to wear any other work uniforms away from the work site. I am not sure why we are giving miners, mining construction etc special dispensation.

Would it be OK for car mechanics to wear overalls everywhere? Butchers? Painters? Construction workers? It is bad enough seeing them on trains with their work gear and eskis.

I take it you were never a fan of The Village People?

 

[JohnK]

I take it you were never a fan of The Village People?

Good group. I like(d) their music.

 

[medhead]

Well said.

Not really. Just a typical over reaction, with a bit of rant thrown in, that seems to miss the idea underlying the issue at hand. This thread is about a problem that has been created by drunken yobbos in the Perth lounges. Their clothes are irrelevant and having a rant about the nice people who wear certain clothes does not fix the drunken yobbos.the fact that filthy animals exist is not a grave insult to the other people working in the same industries who aren't disgusting pigs in public.

Rather than get hung up on hi-viz how about focusing on the issue, the drunk filthy animals who give all a bad name. Btw, I've seen many animals wearing suits.