QP Perth epic fail tonight

[TomVexille]

Not really. Just a typical over reaction, with a bit of rant thrown in, that seems to miss the idea underlying the issue at hand. This thread is about a problem that has been created by drunken yobbos in the Perth lounges. Their clothes are irrelevant and having a rant about the nice people who wear certain clothes does not fix the drunken yobbos.the fact that filthy animals exist is not a grave insult to the other people working in the same industries who aren't disgusting pigs in public.

Rather than get hung up on hi-viz how about focusing on the issue, the drunk filthy animals who give all a bad name. Btw, I've seen many animals wearing suits.

So we agree. It actually doesn't matter what someone wears to work, drunk filthy animals come from all walks of life.

 

[TomVexille]

Not look down. It is really inappropriate clothing away from the work site.

Just like it would be inappropriate to wear any other work uniforms away from the work site. I am not sure why we are giving miners, mining construction etc special dispensation.

Would it be OK for car mechanics to wear overalls everywhere? Butchers? Painters? Construction workers? It is bad enough seeing them on trains with their work gear and eskis.

That sounds exactly like you think you're better than all of those professions.

 

[Pushka]

So we agree. It actually doesn't matter what someone wears to work, drunk filthy animals come from all walks of life.

I'm pretty sure everyone agrees with that. But isn't the current discussion about what people are wearing outside of work and appropriateness of that? (And which may or may not be on topic.)

 

[TomVexille]

I'm pretty sure everyone agrees with that. But isn't the current discussion about what people are wearing outside of work and appropriateness of that? (And which may or may not be on topic.)

It is totally off topic.

To get back on topic. PER seems to have an issue with drunken yobbos in the QP (and the VA lounge, also off topic), and the idea of only allowing one drink per patron at a time doesn't seem to be an effective way to control the situation. I'd suggest better RSA training for the staff might be an option to enhance the QP experience.

 

[Pushka]

It is totally off topic. .

If that is the case then the majority of this thread has been off topic.

 

[TomVexille]

If that is the case then the majority of this thread has been off topic.

As is often the case

 

[burrco]

Time to ban all workwear from the lounges. This includes some of the god awful polyester suits worn by Very Important Business Men who enjoy conducting Very Important Business Phone Calls at loud volume.

Is there really a problem with drunks at PER or is it really just a problem of overcrowding?

 

[harvyk]

Can't open the windows to get fresh air?

Can't do that on most modern day busses / trains either....

 

[harvyk]

Time to ban all workwear from the lounges. This includes some of the god awful polyester suits worn by Very Important Business Men who enjoy conducting Very Important Business Phone Calls at loud volume.

Is there really a problem with drunks at PER or is it really just a problem of overcrowding?

I think it's a little from column A and a little from column B...

Basically PER was built before the mining boom / FIFO really came about. Prob with FIFO when it started is that since it was so frequent, and because PER is such a long way from anywhere, those guys climbed up the statuses very quickly. Now all of a sudden, 90% of a flight was entitled to lounge access.

The other problem is that you put these FIFO guys onto a dry site, they go for say 21 days without being allowed to touch a drop of booze, that when they cycle back to the real world and being told "here, have as much free booze as you like", given they are typically young and male is it any surprise that those guys perhaps don't know when to say when?

 

[thehound]

By the way. The "Third Force In Iron Ore" demands as a standard that all employees & contractors arrive to site "work ready"

Failure to get off that plane in your work gear (minus boots) will result in staying in camp for the day without pay.

Rok, how is getting off the plane in your work gear and arriving at site "work ready" the same thing? I don't understand why these people don't just change into their work gear when they arrive at the airport - I've changed clothed at airport arrival bathrooms before and it's a matter of a few minutes.

 

[The Rok]

I think it's a little from column A and a little from column B...

Basically PER was built before the mining boom / FIFO really came about. Prob with FIFO when it started is that since it was so frequent, and because PER is such a long way from anywhere, those guys climbed up the statuses very quickly. Now all of a sudden, 90% of a flight was entitled to lounge access.

The other problem is that you put these FIFO guys onto a dry site, they go for say 21 days without being allowed to touch a drop of booze, that when they cycle back to the real world and being told "here, have as much free booze as you like", given they are typically young and male is it any surprise that those guys perhaps don't know when to say when?

That is an incredibly naive statement. There are only a handful of dry sites left anymore.

 

[thehound]

Not look down. It is really inappropriate clothing away from the work site.

Just like it would be inappropriate to wear any other work uniforms away from the work site. I am not sure why we are giving miners, mining construction etc special dispensation.

Would it be OK for car mechanics to wear overalls everywhere? Butchers? Painters? Construction workers? It is bad enough seeing them on trains with their work gear and eskis.

That sounds exactly like you think you're better than all of those professions.

That is a ridiculous statement. JohnK intimated no such thing. Why don't we throw in the example of a surgeon wearing his surgical scrubs into that mix, or a doctor wearing a white coat with his stethoscope around his neck? The point is it's not ok to wear those articles of clothing in the lounge either.

 

[Pushka]

Can't do that on most modern day busses / trains either....

Ha, as if I'd know what modern day buses can and can't do, living in Adelaide.

 

[thehound]

I was in the VA lounge in Perth a week ago, Monday Arvo and 4 hours to kill as only 3 flights a day out to my destination and I missed getting an early on the second one. Had a German backpacking friend with me, and we literally drained the Bar of Kopparberg Ciders.. Not one question asked.. Just kept supplying them 2 at a time.. Grand total of I think 18.. Thanks for all the fish.. An I wasn't even wearing Hi Vis!

If you think it's normal to consume ~12 standard drinks in 4 hours, you have an alcohol problem. The fact that you seem proud of the fact you consumed so much alcohol indicates you have no insight into your own problem.

 

[TomVexille]

That is a ridiculous statement. JohnK intimated no such thing. Why don't we throw in the example of a surgeon wearing his surgical scrubs into that mix, or a doctor wearing a white coat with his stethoscope around his neck? The point is it's not ok to wear those articles of clothing in the lounge either.

Nowhere have I said that it's acceptable to wear any of those things in the lounge. I'm a firm believer that the airlines should actually enforce the posted dress/behavior code in their lounges an onboard their aircraft.

The way I understand JohnK's comment there was that mechanics, butchers, painters, and construction workers are "dirty" and should stay hidden from the "normal" people. Maybe I've misunderstood, and I'd be happy for him to explain that. But that's how it comes across initially.

 

[harvyk]

That is an incredibly naive statement. There are only a handful of dry sites left anymore.

Just relaying what I've been hearing on JJJ's hack program...

 

[The Rok]

Just relaying what I've been hearing on JJJ's hack program...

They are few & far between. Probably less than 1 in 30 is a dry site now.

Also, not everyone chooses to drink. I work on a site of 1,500 people, at most there would be 40 - 60 people in the wet mess every evening!

 

[JohnK]

That sounds exactly like you think you're better than all of those professions.

That is not what I said or implied.

It is inappropriate to wear any work uniform outside of the workplace including a lifesaver.

 

[Jack_OC]

In relation to spirits, I do not drink beer,I only drink spirits with mixers, it does not make me a drunk like some here have intimiated. Wine is around 12-13% a mixer is around 5%, a would be more under the influence if I had 4 wines.

Cans of pre-mixed spirit drinks are typically about 5%, as they contain a lot of mixer, but mixed drinks made by a barman are usually much stronger. For example, if you add a standard bottle of Schweppes mixer to a shot of spirit, the resulting drink is about 8% alcohol. When draft mixers are used, with ice in the glass (as is often the case), the volume of mixer is often lower, resulting in even stronger drinks. And then there are people who drink doubles....

Funnily enough, despite the negative perception of cans of pre-mixed spirit drinks, they are a possible solution in lounges. They are essentially the same strength as beer, so most people have to drink quite a lot of them to get drunk. And since 5 cans is equivalent to almost 2 litres of fizzy drink, there is a natural limit to how much most people can consume in a short space of time.

 

[markis10]

Funnily enough, despite the negative perception of cans of pre-mixed spirit drinks, they are a possible solution in lounges. They are essentially the same strength as beer, so most people have to drink quite a lot of them to get drunk. And since 5 cans is equivalent to almost 2 litres of fizzy drink, there is a natural limit to how much most people can consume in a short space of time.

I cannot see them being used in lounges for the simple reason they are expensive compared to the bottle and post mix alternative.