Seat Pocket Surprise

[BadgerBoi]

I was at Arlington once, watching the Blue Jays demolish the Rangers. Good game, but of course not too popular with the local crowd - I was with a couple of Canadians and they thought it was just fine.

Anyways, on the way in I bought a big bag of unshelled peanuts to go with the beer and hot dogs and all the other yummy food that gets pushed around the stadium. We drank our beer and ate our peanuts and after a while I said, "Um, what do I do with the shells?" My mate threw his under the seat. "They have cleaners come through after the ballgame," he said. "So you're creating employment."

If it had been a double-header, I might have thought twice, but no, he made perfect sense.

People create a mess, and if it's at night in a cramped seat and you don't want to just throw something on the floor, then anything else goes. It's the job of the airline to provide cleaners, and the job of the cleaners to do their job.

Yes, it'd be nice if the passengers did the cleaning and left their seats as pristine as when they arrived, but what's the point of wishing for a perfect world?

Leaving some of the filth in seat pockets that has emerged from this thread is not the same as throwing peanut shells - filthy tissues in a magazine, vomit filled plastic blanket bags etc are a health risk.

I'm glad to say that I have a little more respect for cleaners than your mates do; I always thought that Canadians were better mannered than that. What's the point of making their job harder?

 

[Skyring]

That's a valid point Skyring and I'm trying not to be too broad in my statement, but really, a grotty tissue in a magazine like that or the other example of the hidden vomit in the blanket bag are examples of people being grubs for the sake of being grubs. A few tissues can go in the pocket or bag to dispose of later, and of course the FA's always happy to help. The aircraft cleaners do a fine job but wouldn't think they rummage through magazines looking for tissues.

I can safely assume that hockey stadiums, just like our football stadiums, don't have rubbish bins at the end of the Isle and the grounds have organised cleaning afterwards anyway.

I think it's drawing a long bow to find some bodily emissions in a magazine and be confident of the thoughts going through the mind of the person responsible.

I actually watched a hockey once. Ice hockey in San Jose at the Shark Tank. There's a lot of bad behaviour at hockey games. I was appalled.

The crowd, however, was well-behaved, apart from occasional loud calls for murder.

 

[Flyer 777]

Dropped my wife at country train station Friday to get the airport bus pickup, just along from us a guy around 20 was eating Red Rooster from across the road, when he finished he left his drink container, chicken remains on the seat and purposely tipped his chips out onto the seat and ground. I gave him a death stare and a lady come over and said how disgusting he was. If I had not had my wife and 3yr old son with me, I can assure he would have cleaned it up. And to add insult he walked off down the street he was not even travelling. Just a filthy pig, no tolerance for disgusting behaviour.

 

[JohnK]

Yes, it'd be nice if the passengers did the cleaning and left their seats as pristine as when they arrived, but what's the point of wishing for a perfect world?

Not wishing for a perfect world. Not even manners.

Just a little consideration for others around you. Too much to ask?

 

[Skyring]

Not wishing for a perfect world. Not even manners.

Just a little consideration for others around you. Too much to ask?

We may ask, but we do not always receive. Rather, it is our own behaviour we may control.

As Jesus said, Do to others as you would have them do to you. If someone is considerate and thoughtful, bless and praise them. If not, well, maybe they'll do better next time, following your gentle example.

Alternatively, sue the cough out of them, for those words of Jesus are the basis of modern tort law. An airline has a duty of care to its passengers, and that includes making sure that they do not serve food with dead snails in, or provide inflight magazines with bodily emissions, or blankets with fresh vomit.

Take pictures, get witnesses, assemble your evidence. That mouse in your pilaf may be your ticket to riches!

 

[JohnK]

We may ask, but we do not always receive. Rather, it is our own behaviour we may control.

Yes it is too much to ask.

Someone keeps reminding me manners are a western tradition. I think he is right.

 

[Rebekkap]

Yes it is too much to ask.

Someone keeps reminding me manners are a western tradition. I think he is right.

That's a pretty racist remark. All cultures have manners, they're just not necessarily the same as each other.

 

[Rebekkap]

Dropped my wife at country train station Friday to get the airport bus pickup, just along from us a guy around 20 was eating Red Rooster from across the road, when he finished he left his drink container, chicken remains on the seat and purposely tipped his chips out onto the seat and ground. I gave him a death stare and a lady come over and said how disgusting he was. If I had not had my wife and 3yr old son with me, I can assure he would have cleaned it up. And to add insult he walked off down the street he was not even travelling. Just a filthy pig, no tolerance for disgusting behaviour.

I'm particularly horrified when people leave chicken remains lying around - chicken bones can kill dogs. We used to live near a KFC and I couldn't count the number of times I had to hurriedly rescue a chicken bone from my dogs' mouths.

 

[OzEire]

I wrote about this on another thread, but it may fit better here.

Recent EY flight MEL to AUH had a nasty surprise in the fold away armrest tray...i cant say for certain what it was but it looked like a baby's nappy or similar stuck to the tray with a brown stain gone hard as it dried.... Just filthy and made us both retch when we found it.

After nursing our son for 13 hrs it had been impossible to open the tray until breakfast service right before landing... So, by the time we found it the staff were too busy to do anything, and with our own baby screaming on descent it was not possible for us to move seats.

Feedback sent to EY over 2 weeks ago, as yet no response except to note receipt of our complaint.

 

[Quickstatus]

That's a pretty racist remark. All cultures have manners, they're just not necessarily the same as each other.

so for example:

the Chinese will often not start eating at the table until the most senior member of the party is served first and during the dinner their bowl/plate is never empty. This is a common occurrence at intergenerational get togethers.

 

[JohnK]

That's a pretty racist remark. All cultures have manners, they're just not necessarily the same as each other.

That is not a racist remark.

Open your eyes and look around you. I don't care if some cultures think it is OK to burp and fart in public. It is disgusting.

So is clearing your throat every 30 seconds and coughing phlegm everywhere. Have you witnessed someone cough up phlegm in an open garbage bin where there are other people around? Filthy and disgusting.

Please do not try to lecture me on manners.

 

[trixydoza]

That is not a racist remark.

Open your eyes and look around you. I don't care if some cultures think it is OK to burp and fart in public. It is disgusting.

So is clearing your throat every 30 seconds and coughing phlegm everywhere. Have you witnessed someone cough up phlegm in an open garbage bin where there are other people around? Filthy and disgusting.

Please do not try to lecture me on manners.

In at least one of my cultures someone with such a simplistic, blinkered, self-centric view of the world would be pitied as a boorish ignoramus.

 

[Rebekkap]

That is not a racist remark.

Open your eyes and look around you. I don't care if some cultures think it is OK to burp and fart in public. It is disgusting.

So is clearing your throat every 30 seconds and coughing phlegm everywhere. Have you witnessed someone cough up phlegm in an open garbage bin where there are other people around? Filthy and disgusting.

Please do not try to lecture me on manners.

I'm not trying to lecture you on manners, I'm trying to lecture you on making racist remarks on a message board.

Unfortunately, you appear to be blind to it. I agree that the things you mention above are disgusting, because that's the culture I was brought up in - I learned to find those things disgusting. Other people were brought up in cultures where blowing your nose in public is unthinkably gross. If I blow my nose in front of them, they'll think I'm disgusting and have no manners. The truth is, people from those cultures have manners (they wouldn't blow their nose in front of someone) and I have manners (I wouldn't sniff in public), but our manners are different from each other's, so we find each other disgusting.

Despite your opinion, that doesn't make me right and them wrong. One set of manners is not superior to another - they are just different. Your comment was racist because you see yourself as superior to people from other cultures. You're not.

 

[UP4014]

That is not a racist remark.

Open your eyes and look around you. I don't care if some cultures think it is OK to burp and fart in public. It is disgusting.

So is clearing your throat every 30 seconds and coughing phlegm everywhere. Have you witnessed someone cough up phlegm in an open garbage bin where there are other people around? Filthy and disgusting.

Please do not try to lecture me on manners.

Indeed, hence some cultures have eradicated certain desease and others have not. It's not culture, but fithy and disgusting habits.

Matt

 

[Rebekkap]

Indeed, hence some cultures have eradicated certain desease and others have not. It's not culture, but fithy and disgusting habits.

Matt

Really? Do enlighten us as to which diseases Western culture has eliminated that are spread by the "filthy" and "disgusting" habits of people from other countries.

 

[prozac]

In Australia Tuberculosis is one that springs to mind. Once eliminated but now evident again since our govt. health department relaxed checks on people immigrating.

 

[Rebekkap]

In Australia Tuberculosis is one that springs to mind. Once eliminated but now evident again since our govt. health department relaxed checks on people immigrating.

As tuberculosis is air borne and can be spread by people speaking, you can't claim that one is caused by differences in manners I'm afraid - Tuberculosis (TB) Transmission

 

[Virgin Bart]

That is not a racist remark.

Open your eyes and look around you. I don't care if some cultures think it is OK to burp and fart in public. It is disgusting.

So is clearing your throat every 30 seconds and coughing phlegm everywhere. Have you witnessed someone cough up phlegm in an open garbage bin where there are other people around? Filthy and disgusting.

Please do not try to lecture me on manners.

I completely agree with you.

 

[UP4014]

As tuberculosis is air borne and can be spread by people speaking, you can't claim that one is caused by differences in manners I'm afraid - Tuberculosis (TB) Transmission

And bad manners by spitting all over the place as people from some countries do, nothing to do with culture just filthy habits.

TB is far worse in some countries than others so I do indeed claim manners make a difference.

Matt

 

[Rebekkap]

And bad manners by spitting all over the place as people from some countries do, nothing to do with culture just filthy habits.

TB is far worse in some countries than others so I do indeed claim manners make a difference.

Matt

The availability of effective, affordable treatments, and modern hospitals, is what makes the difference, not whether people spit or not. Basically tuberculosis has the same vectors as the common cold - a disease we in Western countries, with our supposedly "superior" manners, have not yet managed to eliminate despite the fact that spitting is less prevalent.

I also note tuberculosis used to be one of the major killers in Western countries, before effective drugs were developed. I suppose you think manners have become much better in the west over the last 60 years or so?