Some ideas to enhance QF FF prog for PLATINUMS

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I don't like this. Dumb in principle, and no one would give up 1m miles for 1,000 SC. (FWIW you can get 1,000 SC with much less points with the new Any Seat Awards ;) but of course you actually have to fly). I don't like the idea how in AA you can become an elite without having to set foot on a plane.

how do you do it with AA as a matter of interest!
 
I mentioned before (http://www.frequentflyer.com.au/com.../better-qf-ground-service-benefits-21432.html) that QF should consider offering a chauffeur service.

I see that as J/F benefit (and something QF should definitely do), not as a WP benefit.

how do you do it with AA as a matter of interest!

Spend a very large sum of money on an AA-affiliated credit card. AAdvantage hands out lifetime Gold (OW Ruby) for earning 1 million miles and lifetime Platinum (OW Sapphire) for getting to 2 million miles. That's regular miles -- be they flown, earnt via CC spend, whatever.
 
how do you do it with AA as a matter of interest!

AFAICT (and very happy to be corrected (or shut up - please PM or delete at will, Mods)) anything that credits as a point in your AA account counts towards your lifetime mileage. It doesn't matter how the points arrived in the account (e.g. flights, hotels, credit cards, car rental, survey prizes, etc.), it still counts. Of course, some of these types of mileage (whilst are all redeemable miles for awards) do not count for elite qualifying miles (used to determine your annual status). But they do count towards your lifetime status.

1 million miles gives you Lifetime Gold; another million on that again gives you Lifetime Platinum. (There is no Lifetime Executive Platinum).
 
I see that as J/F benefit (and something QF should definitely do), not as a WP benefit

The way I pitched it is mainly a J and F benefit (read: cash F and cash high bucket J). WPs would only get some exceptions as a benefit of status (but the way I pitched it, except for some LTGs, there wouldn't be a way for a WP to get a limo on a Y ticket for free.)
 
Having more generous classic award availability for premium cabins online (even if only for SG and WP). Have all partners and available routes show in the online award search. Confirmed upgrade redemptions for WP would be nice.

Personally, I don't see bonus points for CC spend or conversion of points to SCs to be of value.

The one benefit I would like would be for WPs or even Golds would be 2 confirmed upgrades redemption per membership year,you have the points why can't you use them; no they won't be free but it would be nice when you can you use your points; the upgrade lottery sucks. :(
 
In recent times, how successful have WPs been with international upgrades?

From anecdotal evidence, most WPs have been quite successful it seems. I only have a sample size of 1, however it was interesting to note that the F cabin was full when we took off for that flight and at least 6 of the 14 people in the cabin were points upgrades.
 
Firstly in relation to my earlier posts, last year CSM seemed to always meet/greet, offer headphones, maybe a drink and/or newspaper, and handout express arrival cards inbound. This year (if you count 1 of them being just before xmas) 0 out 4 meet/greet as WP. Maybe this has been discontinued?

I'm in two minds around upgrades. These things come at a cost, and there is a tendency out there for airlines who are fairly "mean" with their upgrading policies (either through FF programs or otherwise) to be some of the more profitable airlines. As airlines in Australia don't have an equivalent of Chapter 11 protection I'm happy to live without the "charity" of an overly generous upgrade policy threatening the viability of the airline and therefore my status and points.

Having said that, I think an NZ style program with a small number of complementary (but not confirmed) upgrades has merit. The "lottery" coupled with the small quantity is probably enough to prevent a lot of leakage of J customers to the Y cabin expecting upgrades, but generous enought to create goodwill and encourage use of NZ.

The other thing that would be nice - would be for QF to be a little more generous in requesting classic award seats, as they used to be. Once upon a time you could request on most flights - but now (don't know if it's true or not) was told only can request if Q class available (or D in the business cabin). If Q class is available usually its not very good value using points (unless of course part of a oneworld award).

Generally though I think the benefits offered to platinum's are reasonable, always important to remember "enhacements" usually come with a cost. Probably for many, comparisons to other programs are not so pertinent, but for me in the last 12 months I had a choice to try to keep WP or SQ PPS - and decided on WP. Comparing to SQ PPS status, I think QF WP is considerably better - 100% status bonus (vs 25% - although the burn rates negate some of this), anytime lounge access, FCL access whenever fly OW, access to FC check-ins, priority seating. I think QF actually have a reasonable offer (by contrast on SQ, no access to F lounge unless flying F, must be flying * to access SQ J lounge and even worse in SIN where must be flying SQ to access KF (J) lounge, priority seating with aisle preference = window allocation or aisle in back half of 777 for my last 6 SQ flights in Y ....etc).
 
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Firstly in relation to my earlier posts, last year CSM seemed to always meet/greet, offer headphones, maybe a drink and/or newspaper, and handout express arrival cards inbound. This year (if you count 1 of them being just before xmas) 0 out 4 meet/greet as WP. Maybe this has been discontinued?

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Having said that, I think an NZ style program with a small number of complementary (but not confirmed) upgrades has merit. The "lottery" coupled with the small quantity is probably enough to prevent a lot of leakage of J customers to the Y cabin expecting upgrades, but generous enough to create goodwill and encourage use of NZ.

I too have noticed the lack of a greet by the CSM this year. My experience is 1/4 long haul segments. Had thought they were being slack. But that is a good example of something that costs nothing but likewise encourages a bit of loyalty.

In relation to upgrades, Qantas used to do this years ago. Every x number of status credit we used to receive an upgrade certificate. This was changed for bonus points.
 
Generally though I think the benefits offered to platinum's are reasonable, always important to remember "enhacements" usually come with a cost.

Good point - if history has taught us anything, even if QF does give WP (or whoever) more, another hand will be taking something away.

So the question is - what would you be willing to let go if you're a WP?
 
Yes, the greet seems to be going the way of the Dodo again; I'm sure some memos with be fired across the aether soon enough.

On a contrasting note, travelling TT last month as Air NZ Gold Elites my wife* and I were visited no less than four times by different members of the CC.:oops:

*Air NZ GE's can gift GE status to one's co-habitational partner - they get GE status for Air NZ flights (not *G on *A however). This is a variation of QFF "Partner Gold".
 
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AFAICT (and very happy to be corrected (or shut up - please PM or delete at will, Mods)) anything that credits as a point in your AA account counts towards your lifetime mileage. It doesn't matter how the points arrived in the account (e.g. flights, hotels, credit cards, car rental, survey prizes, etc.), it still counts. Of course, some of these types of mileage (whilst are all redeemable miles for awards) do not count for elite qualifying miles (used to determine your annual status). But they do count towards your lifetime status.

1 million miles gives you Lifetime Gold; another million on that again gives you Lifetime Platinum. (There is no Lifetime Executive Platinum).

man I could have gotten Lifetime Platinum years ago if I was in AA!!!
 
So the question is - what would you be willing to let go if you're a WP?

I would be prepared to give up the 'benefit' that allows you to buy an additional Y seat at short notice. :p

What I would give up after that....maybe anytime lounge access (i.e. must fly QF, JQ or ow to access lounges).
 
So who pays for these enhancements? Are they at the expense of lower status levels or to be paid for by higher airfares?
 
What I would give up after that....maybe anytime lounge access (i.e. must fly QF, JQ or ow to access lounges).

No not happy with that, one of thing that makes QF WP worthwhile over and above SG. But if you must, should include 3K in that list as well, not just JQ.
 
I'll throw the cat amongst the pidgeons here. I ONLY use QF as they cover my extensive Dom footprint and where my work sends me Internationally.
I'd like to see some positive descrimination for those of us who dont "Share" our travel to earn status when there is a valid QF option available..
I believe as a gold member trundling up and down the eastcoast using Flexible fares and a couple of J trips to Lax /SIN my loyalty is worth more than an earnt Platinum who who does a few QF flights but gets the same benefits by mileage runs on other OW carriers in J and some red-e-deal tops ups locally....in other words travel on Qantas should earn status points and FF points faster than non QF flights.To me thats how you reward loyalty.
Surely the FF database has that info. The true QF loyalist could be offered a guaranteed point upgrade at least once a year for example.
And whilst we're on it I'd like to see lounge access restricted more..a Friday arvo scrum at Tulla must have 20-25% Jetstar bottom feeders..either that or only give free drinks in the lounge to QF boarding pass holders (You may have gathered I'm no JQ fan).That may clear a few of them out
 
And whilst we're on it I'd like to see lounge access restricted more..a Friday arvo scrum at Tulla must have 20-25% Jetstar bottom feeders..either that or only give free drinks in the lounge to QF boarding pass holders (You may have gathered I'm no JQ fan).That may clear a few of them out

I'd hazard a guess most of the Jetstar bottom feeders are there because they are being loyal to QF. Even after QF gave them a one fingered salute by "Jetstarising" their routes. They're only feeding at the bottom because QF pushed them down there.
 
Hi all,

1 extra I would like added is status recognition on JQ for WP.

Extra luggage and priority boarding, and perhaps meals/drinks would be great as certain routes can only be flown on JQ.

Apart from that we would all like upgrades etc but as these are unlikely I will hope for the little things.

ejb
 
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And whilst we're on it I'd like to see lounge access restricted more..a Friday arvo scrum at Tulla must have 20-25% Jetstar bottom feeders..either that or only give free drinks in the lounge to QF boarding pass holders (You may have gathered I'm no JQ fan).That may clear a few of them out

JQ bottom feeders...

I guess that I am a JQ bottom feeder then as my choice of airline between melbourne and sydney is JQ. I also have a full status earn while flying JQ

Im trying to fathom your learned assumptions here Standby, the bottom feeder in question is a person like me - 2500+ SC earn on QF and JQ metal each year, I have the right to be in the QP, or another type of bottom feeder is the QP member - the ones who pay for the privilege to use the QP - they too have the right to be in there, while on it, status holders (SG) or from other airlines with a OW arrangement - they too have the right to be in there...

Bottom feeders....

Oh, and a question - how do you get in the QP - earned status - Gold or Platinum, or is it because you bought your way in with a QP membership - I would be interested to know...
 
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