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I thought I'd write my experiences flying in with Qantas on the A380 from Syd to LAX return.

I was travelling with a friend for a 2 week holiday in the USA. I looked up the flight ahead of time, and quickly realized 80A or 80K would be the best seats for only 25 bucks. My friend is really tall, like 6 foot 7 or something. I'm average height but overweight. Anyway, I told him if he wanted a good seat like me (I chose 80k) that he should book 80A. But he wanted to sit together, which was so stupid. I told him it's his own choice.

Anyway skip forward a few months, I kept checking the flight information, and the rear section of the plane there were heaps of spare seats. I knew that the spare seat in our 3 chair row would be empty. When we boarded, I said my friend could have the extra legroom because Id rather have the wider seat, especially because there would be no one next to me. How horribly wrong I was.

The plane kept filling up. Suddenly "vegetable lasagna" sat next to me. I was now trapped like Elaine in Seinfeld. The guy even looked like vegetable lasagna and kept on going on about eating brown rice. Anyway so there I was, my friend sitting in my luxury 80K which I booked, me stuck in the middle. All that wouldn't be so bad if the two exit row passengers in front of us hadn't been arrogant annoying Americans. But they were. As soon as we hit cruising altitude, less than half an hour into a 13 hour flight, the cough put his seat right back with a nasally "Excuse me" like only Americans can.

Now for those that have flown on the A380 in economy, you know how bad the recline is in those seats. The rear of the seat goes from being ten inches in front of your face, to 1 inch. Their balding sweaty head is right in your face/lap. It also effectively locks you into your seat like some nightmarish torture device, or amusement park ride.

And so went the rest of my sleepless, torturous flight. Stuck behind these loud mouth reclining Americans. Although I can't say I minded asking him to put his seat up just so I could get out of the seats. I spent literally half the flight standing up the back in the galley, talking to vegetable lasagna who also couldn't stand the nightmare that was the A380 seats. Actually it seemed as if half the plane was down in the galley for most of the flight. Even one of the pilots, who went on whinging about Qantas and the CEO Joyce, although I whole heatedly agreed with everything he had to say on the matter.

Perhaps the thing that annoyed more more than any ridiculously designed seating arrangement, or loud mouthed las vegas gambler, was the fact that there wasn't even supposed to be anyone next to me.

Remember how I said the plane was mostly empty at the rear? Yeah well it was, until Qantas decided to "Co chair" a united airlines flight. In other words, they hadn't filled their 747 with enough Americans to make it worth their while, so they decided to do a little deal with Qantas, filling our A380 to maximum. Not only that, but these freeloaders also caused a half hour delay to our take off because we had to wait for their extra food service items to be loaded onto the plane.

I can honestly say, it was the worst flight of my life. The A380 is a death trap, from cracks in wings to exploding engines, it's only a matter of time until one of these horrible contraptions goes down. In the future I will stick to 747-400's and I WONT be flying Qantas.

On the ride back a slightly longer flight, I decided there would be no way in Hell I'd forfeit my 80K to my friend who lacked the foresight and aforementioned advice to take 80A. He sulked the entire time. I didn't care. Even though I was even more cramped than normal, due to the built in seat tray and screen, the legroom and ability to get up when I chose to was worth it. I still got up every hour or so to avoid a DVT.

So the moral of the story is, don't be nice to your friends and give them the good seat especially if they chose to ignore your advice in the first place! Also the A380 sucks.
 
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I thought I'd write my experiences flying in with Qantas on the A380 from Syd to LAX return.

I was travelling with a friend for a 2 week holiday in the USA. I looked up the flight ahead of time, and quickly realized 80A or 80K would be the best seats for only 25 bucks. My friend is really tall, like 6 foot 7 or something. I'm average height but overweight. Anyway, I told him if he wanted a good seat like me (I choose 80k) that he should book 80A. But he wanted to sit together, which was so stupid. I told him it's his own choice.

Anyway skip forward a few months, I kept checking the flight information, and the rear section of the plane there were heaps of spare seats. I knew that the spare seat in our 3 chair row would be empty. When we boarded, I said my friend could have the extra legroom because Id rather have the wider seat, especially because there would be no one next to me. How horribly wrong I was.

The plane kept filling up. Suddenly "vegetable lasagna" sat next to me. I was now trapped like Elaine in Seinfeld. The guy even looked like vegetable lasagna and kept on going on about eating brown rice. Anyway so there I was, my friend sitting in my luxury 80K which I booked, me stuck in the middle. All that wouldn't be so bad if the two exit row passengers in front of us hadn't been arrogant annoying Americans. But they were. As soon as we hit cruising altitude, less than half an hour into a 13 hour flight, the cough put his seat right back with a nasally "Excuse me" like only Americans can.

Now for those that have flown on the A380 in economy, you know how bad the recline is in those seats. The rear of the seat goes from being ten inches in front of your face, to 1 inch. Their balding sweaty head is right in your face/lap. It also effectively locks you into your seat like some nightmarish torture device, or amusement park ride.

And so went the rest of my sleepless, torturous flight. Stuck behind these loud mouth reclining Americans. Although I can't say I minded asking him to put his seat up just so I could get out of the seats. I spent literally half the flight standing up the back in the galley, talking to vegetable lasagna who also couldn't stand the nightmare that was the A380 seats. Actually it seemed as if half the plane was down in the galley for most of the flight. Even one of the pilots, who went on whinging about Qantas and the CEO Joyce, although I whole heatedly agreed with everything he had to say on the matter.

Perhaps the thing that annoyed more more than any ridiculously designed seating arrangement, or loud mouthed las vegas gambler, was the fact that there wasn't even supposed to be anyone next to me.

Remember how I said the plane was mostly empty at the rear? Yeah well it was, until Qantas decided to "Co chair" a united airlines flight. In other words, they hadn't filled their 747 with enough Americans to make it worth their while, so they decided to do a little deal with Qantas, filling our A380 to maximum. Not only that, but these freeloaders also caused a half hour delay to our take off because we had to wait for their extra food service items to be loaded onto the plane.

I can honestly say, it was the worst flight of my life. The A380 is a death trap, from cracks in wings to exploding engines, it's only a matter of time until one of these horrible contraptions goes down. In the future I will stick to 747-400's and I WONT be flying Qantas.

On the ride back a slightly longer flight, I decided there would be no way in Hell I'd forfeit my 80K to my friend who lacked the foresight and aforementioned advice to take 80A. He sulked the entire time. I didn't care. Even though I was even more cramped than normal, due to the built in seat tray and screen, the legroom and ability to get up when I choose to was worth it. I still got up every hour or so to avoid a DVT.

So the moral of the story is, don't be nice to your friends and give them the good sight, especially if they choose to ignore your advice in the first place! Also the A380 sucks.

Sorry, but that is a rubbish post. The fact you copped a middle seat without a spare seat next to you was a result of the gamble you took.

The race or perceived habits aren't relevant here. Nor is the fact a lot of people were around the galleys as that is fairly normal for a long haul economy flight.

I for one actually find the Y seats In the 380 a lot better than normal Y seats. Ill add to that your comment about the 380 being a death trap is opinion without much base to it apart from opinion alone...

Adding even more to that, UA had 2 incidents in two days with 747's on the ground in oz, so that probably had more to do with the cancellations than anything else
 
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I can honestly say, it was the worst flight of my life. The A380 is a death trap, from cracks in wings to exploding engines, it's only a matter of time until one of these horrible contraptions goes down. In the future I will stick to 747-400's and I WONT be flying Qantas.
Then you won't be flying overseas much longer. 747's are not going to be around forever, and when they're gone, A380's will be widespread (with some 777's of course, and A330's/787's/A350's when they're launched).

The A380 is perfectly safe. If you want to know about a/c problems, do some investigations. All a/c have issues and timewise, the A380 is a new bird still.

As for the other situations on-board, that's not Qantas' fault. Loud mouth/smelly/obnoxious folk will always be on planes (and indeed everywhere in life).

Not sure why you would prefer the 747 seating in Economy to the A380. As a 6'4" tall guy, I find the A380 in a regular economy seat a much more comfortable trip (it's not luxury but compared to the old config 747's that QF had, it's night and day).

And another thing. Never, ever ever, assume that because a seat is showing as unallocated, that it is unsold. Remember, not everyone pre-pays for a seat. Only Silver/Gold/Platinum and above (And Oneworld equivalent status pax) can pre-select free of charge at any time. You move at your own risk, and probably should have kept your 80A/K options. The only time I ever change seats is on-board. If it's free when the doors close, make a beeline for it or ask the crew if you can move with your friend.

Not sure what you're on about with 'co chair' as that makes no sense. QF 'code share' with other OneWorld partners such as American Airlines, but United is Star Alliance. You're on board a flight to the USA, chances are, they were Americans who came over on Qantas and were heading home. It's possible that they moved UA pax over to a QF flight after a UA flight went tech, but that's hardly QF's fault. You can't expect an airline to fly with empty seats just because it suits you.
 
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Adding even more to that, UA had 2 incidents in two days with 747's on the ground in oz, so that probably had more to do with the cancellations than anything else
Not bringing fact into the story ;) they were both 747's so by that factor, the 747's have to be a death-trap too ;)
 
Should've paid for the exit rows. I find 71D to be pretty good.
Interesting statement, not sure of the relevance. If available, 71D can be paid for just like 80K was at a non exit row price.
 
Y seats on QF A380 are much better than those on (unrefurbished at least) B747-400

Can't do very much about people in front of you reclining into your space. The seat has a recline function - it's meant to be used - people use it - get over it
 
Enjoy United in Y!

[Or risk being put back on QF "Co Chaired" flight]

Lmao! I think the OP will love united in y.

I also think if your going to spend a few thousand dollars on an airline ticket do a little research!

The A380 is a fantastic aircraft and your 'death trap' comment is ill-informed.
 
I found your post and views an interesting read even though I didn't agree with all of it. The thing that bothered me was that your friend ended up with 80K to your detriment despite his ignoring your earlier advice - I would have left him in 80J without any qualms.
 
My experience of the A380 Y seats is that they are about as comfortable as Y seats get. Not that this is saying much, of course!

Longhaul flights mean that pax are going to recline their seats to get what comfort they can. Especially if tired. Yes, this impacts on the pax behind in terms of reducing knee room and restricting aisle access.

But overall, the A380 has more room per passenger than any comparable aircraft. It really is about as good as it gets for Y travel.

Smart travellers will use SeatGuru etc. for the better seats, and the discussion boards such as AFF and FT are full of advice. Excellent advice.

I always operate on the assumption that the plane will be fully loaded. That's becoming standard practice, especially in the USA. Airlines try to sell their empty seats, and some of the fares are just ridiculously low. If there's some sort of "squeeze" on a route caused by weather or mechanical problems or industrial action or whatever, we get plane loads of displaced passengers scrambling for whatever seats are available. And that might mean a bunch of lanky Yanks monopolising what looked like an empty plane at the last moment with no warning. Or a football team of Australians aiming to drink the bar dry.

I won't say that I have the travel experience of some here, but I've been around the world eight times, and a few more Europe or US return trips, so I have some idea what I'm talking about.

The A380, as operated by Qantas, has an excellent economy product. If I'm flying at the back of the bus, it is my preferred option.

Especially if I can get one of the good seats. I can't believe the OP had one of these gems and gave it up!
 
Interesting statement, not sure of the relevance. If available, 71D can be paid for just like 80K was at a non exit row price.

Actually 2 statements. Separated by a full stop. 71d being preferable to 80, IMO.
 
Thanks for an amusing story. Obviously flying is not your thing. Has me stumped as to why a middle seat was booked when the plane was still empty??:confused:
 
I sat on QF2 at Heathrow in 71D, and must have had ten or more boarding passengers say something to the effect of "you did well - did you know about this seat". I just smiled, after all why tell them and make competition harder. But seriously, anyone who paints themselves into a middle seat is just asking for trouble.

As for Y comfort levels, the worst flying experience I have had in the last 10 years was in Y on QF6 in a 747 - the A380 is so much better.
 
Hm the only thing I agree with the article is that at full recline on an A380 in Y, the seat in front of you does get awfully close to you. On my first flight on QF A380, I was actually getting worried about the IFE after the person in front of me did a full recline, took me a few minutes to realise you can adjust the angle of the screen, thank goodness.

I was on a re-furbed QF 747 on my next sector from LAX to JFK and the experience is pretty much the same, except shorter boarding and exiting times due to lower capacity ;)

I'm more interested to read more about what the pilot said about QF and AJ hehe
 
We stumped up for PE on the A380 and were surprised at how very little room there was when the seats were reclined. I can't imagine what economy must be like. But really, why give up the good seat for your disorganised friend - all you did was reinforce his behaviour by giving up your planned seat.
 
I think "andyroo54" was highly medicated when typing this post (and giving up his seat).
Have travelled many times on the A380 with QF, and request 80A/K because I like the window. A brilliant aircraft.
I would hate to see what he says about seats if he ever flew J.
 
We stumped up for PE on the A380 and were surprised at how very little room there was when the seats were reclined. I can't imagine what economy must be like. But really, why give up the good seat for your disorganised friend - all you did was reinforce his behaviour by giving up your planned seat.

PE is generally equal to domestic J! Imagine how they feel on a new 330 service!

FWIW, Y in the 380 isn't that bad (you get used to it!)
 
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