Superannuation Discussion + market volatility

Is it true that withdrawals from these defined benefit funds are liable to income tax when in pension phase?

As one of the recipients of the wonderful CSS Federal Govt scheme, and havin now left the office at 54/11 by taking a year of unused leave and 3 months of ‘unemployment’, to ‘declare retirement’ (There’s a tick box on the form) I can safely advise you my tax obligation from 55 (currently under preservation age) is $615 per week.


The fund has this interesting chart about the fund policy. Also, CSS members bear only a couple of the 6 charges for fees (0.8% of balance annual fee) and insurances. (Employers pay the others)

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Surprisingly, the fund does not invest in Amazon nor Atlassian for that matter

Well the recent volatility saw me seriously contemplate switching from default investment to cash at end of September, I didn’t but did at end of October. October losses (2%) wiped out July August earnings. I didn’t cop November nor December losses (3%) and still lost some of my own money. Since July, I earnt pocket change.

with the way the formula works, and now beginning pension mode, I can catch up the October losses via CPI adjustment within 6 months (I think) AND I no longer need worry about the volatility of the share market.

So the result
I’m am extremely fortunate to be netting $34 per week more than my last full pay in September 2018. And had it not been for the 2% October loss another $20-40 a week roughly. While I gross $15k less than when working, tax has dropped as it’s less becaise of the taxfree component. And of course no 5% post tax contribution so the NET is slightly more. so finishing up now gives time and money to do what pleases including all the Australian Test matches

I was surprised my initial tax-free component (there are 3 parts, previously discussed) is under 10% of the total package. Sighs. By age 60, I would expect tax to further reduce by around A Melbourne LHR QF discount First class airfare , (or around 180 per week). However by then official child support will be long gone (that had been $250 a week), and mortgage near zero balance. Happy days

For some time I had mulled over finishing up early, and I am content that I did. And Santa delivered a perfect Christmas present !

May I note; I found the last decade of working fulfilling and enjoyable and was doing tasks I quite loved. The last year was cleaning up a lot of stuff others had neglected. Logistics and government don’t go well together so people just kept adding and adding without “seeing the bigger picture”. Patchwork at its finest.

However, the opportunity of salary replacement for life was too good a deal to forego. I could never under age retirement make the same amount ever. (Unless made redundant down the track, which relied on someone else’s whim). And I departed on a good note as my last major body of work was a stellar piece. A team effort had a great graphic designer and subject experts to assist. My DC and ACs were very appreciative.

Super. The gift that keeps giving.


For me @Radio8tiv the magic number would be where I get just $1 of Centrelink money as this would give me all the associated concessions. In years to come this is where I intend to be.

You may recall the earlier convo about Accounting Income and Taxable Income

A friend of mine alerted me to this.

He doesn’t qualify for age pension as Super is part of the age pension accounting Income. (Under $45k singles and $77k partnered gives you thst magical $1 of age pension.
BUT since most of his super isn’t in taxable income, he qualifies for a health care card.

the Government view isfor those over 67 via Super to permanently defer age pension or delay it until they’re over 80, or later. 13 years of non claiming still saves Comm budget nearly $450,000 per couple in today’s money.

So for some on income streams, they may exhaust the capital value and then qualify. There’s a handy calculator on the PSSAp website PSSap Retirement modeller. Project how long your super will last. And that’s where the Age Pension becomes a safety net (and you can include it in the modeller).
 
Yes that of course is another day. With the $AUD sagging our miners may go better today but of course the metals markets might get hit........ Our $AUD may get a six in it......No need to sweat it unless you really need to sell something when buyers are scarce.
 
The PEs of the DJIA have been quite high compared with Australia. They were due for a correction despite many trading ok with that huge deficit from the company tax rate cuts in the US dropping to 21%.
 
The PEs of the DJIA have been quite high compared with Australia. They were due for a correction despite many trading ok with that huge deficit from the company tax rate cuts in the US dropping to 21%.
Agree, the All Ords did nothing like the DJIA. Which is fine but why the heck does it have to fall back at similar rates when it didn’t go up as high in the first place.
 
The US market recovered from a big drop of 600 last night to finish up 260.
Who knows where we are going in the stock market these days.
We are off to London today.
 
The US market recovered from a big drop of 600 last night to finish up 260.
Who knows where we are going in the stock market these days.
We are off to London today.
We are right behind you, heading out to LHR tomorrow night. Really looking forward to a front row seat to the "meaningful" vote on May's Brexit deal!! :)
 
We have the new SQ Suites today after overnighting at the Crowne Plaza Changi on Points.
Mrscove is excited as London is a holiday for her and she will catch up with our eldest son.
This time I have left my laptop at home as we have iPads and a computer in the flat.
You can watch the markets for us if you like.....
 
We have the new SQ Suites today after overnighting at the Crowne Plaza Changi on Points.
Mrscove is excited as London is a holiday for her and she will catch up with our eldest son.
This time I have left my laptop at home as we have iPads and a computer in the flat.
You can watch the markets for us if you like.....
We won’t. It will probably gyrate up and down and by the time you check again in a few weeks it will be exactly where it is now.
 
From Jim Stackpool an industry stalwart who writes an e-zine:

With less than 10% of us actively using advisers (and usually these are the most ‘well-off’) the rest of us are attempting to swim against the rip flowing from the known unknown factors like the above. {These are the issues often simmering behind our day-to-day contributing to the current era of heightened anxiety, distraction and populism.}

There are nearly 600,000 Australians who have established their own self-managed approach to planning their financial lives. Unfortunately, the vast majority of these continue to underperform based on ridiculous regulatory costs supposedly imposed to ‘maintain integrity’ for the ‘mum-and-dads’. This highlights the harder factors in the argument that advice and adviser provide significantly different value.

The ‘unknown unknown’ factors are those that are invisible to us. We fail to recognise the unknown unknown factors because our paradigms about specific financial products or our financial lives are already bent beyond the reality.

It’s the unknown unknown factors that convince us those “once-in-a-lifetime-opportunities” are sometimes true, only to despair in retrospect how stupid we were to yet again let someone else use our money to make their money.

It’s the unknown unknowns that remind us “we just don’t have time at the moment” and “money will take care of itself because I’ve worked hard enough”, and then panic, usually too late, when there is no more money as expenses finally overwhelm any chance of workable repayment.

Money doesn’t come out the top or near the top, of stress surveys by accident. Money is so interwoven in our lives, our relationships, our status, our hopes, our health, making any financial exacerbation nastier to effectively and single-handedly manage.

Few of us are naturally wired to respect money and even fewer to appreciate the existence of our unknown unknowns.
 
Down in Falcon which is just south of Mandurah it is retirement central. Many there are shocked that a change in government will affect their cash flow so much.
I am more concerned with the opposition plan to have a 30% tax rate on trusts which may put quite a number of businesses over the edge.
We already have construction starts dropping sharply so there will be big staff layoffs in home builders.
 
Note sure if this is behind my paid subscription wall, but independent research company Lonsec had put out a paper on the impact of proposed franking credit changes on investment income, which some here might finding interesting reading...

https://irate.lonsec.com.au/Document/Download?documentID=1c80e040-02d1-444e-8cf4-50404f00dab3

I heard the other day that Shortens plan to limit this impact on pensioners only applied to those pensioners registered before March 29 this year. Has anyone else heard that? In which case it needs to be aired, or put to bed.
 
Down in Falcon which is just south of Mandurah it is retirement central. Many there are shocked that a change in government will affect their cash flow so much.
I am more concerned with the opposition plan to have a 30% tax rate on trusts which may put quite a number of businesses over the edge.
We already have construction starts dropping sharply so there will be big staff layoffs in home builders.

I thought these two articles worth sharing

Wealthfare makes even less sense than middle-class welfare | Greg Jericho

There’s a couple of catchy phrases there

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/po...-you-re-just-camping-out-20190201-p50v4o.html

I feel sorry for those with NO SUPER because they worked mostly before 1992 and their shareholding’s are outside super and can’t be ported inside since they no longer work and the rules around that. I feel even sorrier for those who copped the Age pension loss on 1 Jan 2017 and who will cop this. It will hurt....

What it Also proves is that corporate tax is 0% and the 30% is merely a PAYG-W for shareholders. Imagine the mess of the ATO trying TO ENFORCE payment from hundreds and thousands of foreign and domestic shareholders ....

As for the trail of trusts. In 2012 the ATO Got legislation passed to require trusts to report TFNs of beneficiaries. Prior to then it was nigh impossible to connect the property of the trust to the beneficiaries. Bear in mind state land titles offices registered property in the name of the corporate trustee company not the name of the trust while the ATO registered the Trust and Maybe the corporate trustee. no one registered both.

Even in the ATO Corp plan acknowledges this ATO Corporate plan 2018-19
It’s.a gap and loophole. It’s also allowed trusts to distribute to loss making companies to avoid paying tax on one hand and carrying forward losses which can’t be used to the following year on the other.

While this smooths Out cashflow for the business, it doesn’t get taxes in the door..
 
Shorton's scheme to hit retired SFRs who don't receive any govt pension and just take the imputation credit that dividend paying companies have paid on their behalf to the ATO is absolutely disgusting.
It shows the absolute contempt that Labor has for people who have worked their whole life and forgone extra spending cash in order to put funds into super and company investments so that they can have a better retirement than can be afforded on the OAP.
The discrimination between retirees that collect some OAP and those that don't is deplorable.
 
Shorton's scheme to hit retired SFRs who don't receive any govt pension and just take the imputation credit that dividend paying companies have paid on their behalf to the ATO is absolutely disgusting.
It shows the absolute contempt that Labor has for people who have worked their whole life and forgone extra spending cash in order to put funds into super and company investments so that they can have a better retirement than can be afforded on the OAP.
The discrimination between retirees that collect some OAP and those that don't is deplorable.
You know what? I could almost handle it if their Supernanuation was messed around with like ours has been. I receive a franked dividend from all the taxes our company has paid over the years and am not currently working. I will need to return to work next year to pay some tax to get it back.

Be bu**ered if I’m going to let his Government keep them. (Self censored :D. )
 
Well, I'm confused, as are many others I speak to. So, which type of funds are actually going to be affected?
I thought it wasn't all SFRs in general, just those getting a cash tax refund for tax that has not actually been paid, a scheme that came in in 2001 and which is stated to cost $100m a week.
Some clarification will be coming soon I'm sure once we get an election date and will find out some more during the govt's 10 days of sitting in 8 months. ;)

Shorton's scheme to hit retired SFRs who don't receive any govt pension and just take the imputation credit that dividend paying companies have paid on their behalf to the ATO is absolutely disgusting.
It shows the absolute contempt that Labor has for people who have worked their whole life and forgone extra spending cash in order to put funds into super and company investments so that they can have a better retirement than can be afforded on the OAP.
The discrimination between retirees that collect some OAP and those that don't is deplorable.
 

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