Superannuation Discussion + market volatility

I suspect Superannuation Funds are happier to keep the $$$ under their control rather than give the money to those who have earned it (and paid 15% tax interest process). "We know it's your money but we are better at spending it than you".

I percieve significant lobbying from the "industry super funds".
Except you can withdraw everything without penalty now. I'm happy with the performance of HESTA, the income stream has grown significantly even though I'm withdrawing it so they must be doing something right. Annuity? No way.
 
I suspect Superannuation Funds are happier to keep the $$$ under their control rather than give the money to those who have earned it (and paid 15% tax interest process). "We know it's your money but we are better at spending it than you".

I percieve significant lobbying from the "industry super funds".
And you think somehow the Retail funds won't/can't lobby?
 
Except you can withdraw everything without penalty now. I'm happy with the performance of HESTA, the income stream has grown significantly even though I'm withdrawing it so they must be doing something right. Annuity? No way.
That's now.

What the future holds and what changes are planned is not yet public? (The article you linked to does allude to innovative products, maybe they will be somewhat coughpulsary. )
 
That's now.

What the future holds and what changes are planned is not yet public? (The article you linked to does allude to innovative products, maybe they will be somewhat coughpulsary. )
The details today were purchasing an annuity. The assistant treasurer was interviewed on the radio. Someone rang in and asked if they were going to stop people withdrawing lump sums to pay off the mortgage. He said no change to that. Do I trust them? Ah. Jury is out.
 
The details today were purchasing an annuity. The assistant treasurer was interviewed on the radio. Someone rang in and asked if they were going to stop people withdrawing lump sums to pay off the mortgage. He said no change to that. Do I trust them? Ah. Jury is out.
It would be a very brave Treasurer, PM and/or Finance Minister who pushed through a policy restricting large sum withdrawals from superannuation accounts once the terms of release had been met - that would surely be political suicide.
 
It would be a very brave Treasurer, PM and/or Finance Minister who pushed through a policy restricting large sum withdrawals from superannuation accounts once the terms of release had been met - that would surely be political suicide.
Oh I’ve seen such things happen before.
 
Us boomers continue to do too well and it cannot be allowed to continue , current ideology demands some equalisation.
When governments spend themselves into penury they have to find money somewhere.
 
In Australia?
What were the consequences?
Not about super as such but a political pitch at doing something that resulted in election failure. Negative Gearing comes to mind in SA it was aggregation of trusts and properties for Land Tax calculations. It's only now that the billions invested in Superannuation has arisen. Honey pot to Governments.
 
Us boomers continue to do too well and it cannot be allowed to continue , current ideology demands some equalisation.
When governments spend themselves into penury they have to find money somewhere.
Aaaah, the joys in socialism.
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Not about super as such but a political pitch at doing something that resulted in election failure. Negative Gearing comes to mind in SA it was aggregation of trusts and properties for Land Tax calculations. It's only now that the billions invested in Superannuation has arisen. Honey pot to Governments.
OK - fair enough. There's lots of meddling going on in the property space in various states across Australia that have the objective of raising more money for broke and inefficient state governments. These chickens will all come home to roost at some point.
 
I suspect Superannuation Funds are happier to keep the $$$ under their control rather than give the money to those who have earned it (and paid 15% tax interest process). "We know it's your money but we are better at spending it than you".

I percieve significant lobbying from the "industry super funds".
Given the alternative putting the money into bank run funds et al…

At least the after tax return from Industry funds leave the bank (or Insurance company) funds for dead.
Have a look at BT’s 5, 10, 15 or 20 yr performance for example. Marketing has much to apologise for.
 
Australian super planning for retirement since the 90’s feels like getting on a plane to go from A to B but spending 30 years in a holding pattern …as plane refuels, airports close, B is no longer a country, as its really C (which was itself abolished by parliament) when it became D, then exceptional weather led to a detour and change of flight plan… hoping by the time I land my luggage is still there and will not be confiscated…
 
Australian super planning for retirement since the 90’s feels like getting on a plane to go from A to B but spending 30 years in a holding pattern …as plane refuels, airports close, B is no longer a country, as its really C (which was itself abolished by parliament) when it became D, then exceptional weather led to a detour and change of flight plan… hoping by the time I land my luggage is still there and will not be confiscated…
Ahh we forgot the emotional baggage from the roller-coaster ride
And really hope we weren’t “taken for a ride” on the worst experience of our lives for the highest airfare

As the system hits maturity, it seems obvious that a number of things change
It’s been pretty much a program of accumulation with the pension phase a pipe-dream for the vast number of accumulators.

And now it’s time for those rivers of gold to flow incessantly
And of course all the taxes vanish (but of course successive govts meddlers - transfer balance caps and the proposed $3 m (realised/unrealised gains tax) because keeping it tax-free was never part of their plan. Where would THEY find the revenue to fund all their social or pork barrels??
 
Us boomers continue to do too well and it cannot be allowed to continue , current ideology demands some equalisation.
When governments spend themselves into penury they have to find money somewhere.
I agree. Which is why I'd like to hand as much over to the grandchildren as possible because home ownership for them looks grim. I have no plans to leave anything to the general tax revenue where it will be peed away with the latest thought bubble.
 
I agree. Which is why I'd like to hand as much over to the grandchildren as possible because home ownership for them looks grim. I have no plans to leave anything to the general tax revenue where it will be peed away with the latest thought bubble.
I also try not to pay more tax than I'm obliged to, but do find it nice to receive my government-paid salary rather than consult for free
 
I also try not to pay more tax than I'm obliged to, but do find it nice to receive my government-paid salary rather than consult for free
Trust you are not conflating my comment about Government spend with the necessary Government funding budget for essential needs and in which I have no issues with health, education, etc etc spend....

Super funds are not tax free
 
Given the alternative putting the money into bank run funds et al…

At least the after tax return from Industry funds leave the bank (or Insurance company) funds for dead.
Have a look at BT’s 5, 10, 15 or 20 yr performance for example. Marketing has much to apologise for.
Of course, at the age a person would be when this comes into play, it might not always be best to have all in "High Performance" funds. One might not have the decade or more to recover from a sudden severe decline in the market's value.

For those over 70, some balances of $250K scattered around various banks which are subject to the Government Banking Guarantee at may be a reasonable option.
 
Of course, at the age a person would be when this comes into play, it might not always be best to have all in "High Performance" funds. One might not have the decade or more to recover from a sudden severe decline in the market's value.

For those over 70, some balances of $250K scattered around various banks which are subject to the Government Banking Guarantee at may be a reasonable option.
But accruing interest = tax.
 
Trust you are not conflating my comment about Government spend with the necessary Government funding budget for essential needs and in which I have no issues with health, education, etc etc spend....

Super funds are not tax free
Not you, but I do come across a number of people who seem to consider any tax payable as going to 'unworthy' causes such as unemployment benefits and political frippery and not consider that most goes on age pension, health, roads, police, armed forces and generally running a pretty fabulous country
 

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