The 2015 Prime Minister shuffle

[RooFlyer]

Re: The totally off-topic thread

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Tony Abbott stood in the public area and made and took the political and personal hits as befit that profession. Julia Gillard and Kevin Rudd too, for that matter.

Then there is the posting of gutter abuse on the internet, anonymously.

I never thought I'd admire Julia Gillard for anything, but I'd take her style over posting of gutter abuse on the internet, anonymously, any day.

I'm sure all comments made in this thread are made with serious intent; as I said up-thread, it reveals the character of those making the comments.

 

[Foreigner]

"There is no better than adversity. Every defeat, every heartbreak, every loss, contains its own seed, its own lesson on how to improve your performance the next time."

Malcolm X

 

[RooFlyer]

"There is no better than adversity. Every defeat, every heartbreak, every loss, contains its own seed, its own lesson on how to improve your performance the next time."

Malcolm X

Nice one

 

[RooFlyer]

Just had my morning coffee ... huh? Where is everybody? The parties have wound up early? Surely not!

A promising start ...

Malcolm Turnbull last night said he would stick with existing Coalition policy on key issues such as climate change — and he expected the parliament to run its full term.
Speaking after he won the leadership ballot from Tony Abbott, Mr Turnbull promised to respect the “broad church of the Liberal Party’’. While policies could be *reviewed and adapted in a consultative manner, he explicitly supported the government’s direct action policy. He had been a member of the cabinet that endorsed it and it was “one that I support today’’.

Sources close to Mr Turnbull said he had also told MPs before the ballot that he would continue to support the current government policy of having a plebiscite on same-sex marriage.

Mr Turnbull moved to head off concerns that he would take the party to the Left on social and environmental issues if he won the leadership pledging to be consultative and restore “traditional cabinet government’’.

But I'm not confident it will continue.

I suspect what Turnbull and his followers don't really appreciate that his popularity amongst the luvvies, ABC, Fairfax and the coughterati etc was only as a weapon of destabilisation. Now that he is a Liberal PM, the campaigns against him will be just as vicious and vindictive. But that's the Left's style, I guess.

I wonder if Labor will now go the full Jeremy Corbin in reaction? (No link, as the salacious choice is overwhelming!) Who's the ALP's equivalent hard-line Socialist nut-job?

 

[Revolio]

Turnbull offers the opportunity to move forward domestically with common sense, inclusion and balance. More importantly, Australia's international standing is poised to soar. He has had quite a few years since he last led to reflect on where he went wrong; hard to see him making similar mistakes. 'Tony who?' will just be a natural progression in the years ahead.

 

[esseeeayeenn]

Apparently vilification is alright when directed at "the left"?
Abbott was unfit to be PM. In the past two years every positive development in Australia has been reversed. In place of policy we had three word slogans. In place of economic reform we had cuts which unfairly impacted the vulnerable and yet failed to improve the budget or the economy. We now have a far worse economy than at the last election. Instead of action on global warming we were paying polluters to pollute more.
And that's without considering his gaffes.
Or his outrageous abuse of parliamentary allowances.
I don't agree with Turnbull but I can respect someone I disagree with if they are reasonable, rational and competent.

 

[SeatBackForward]

TA can take a few days off and relax now, I would recommend the beaches of Marshall Islands to him.

 

[RooFlyer]

Apparently vilification is alright when directed at "the left"?
<snip>.

Personally, I can't see how that is "apparent" at all (and I wrote nothing remotely like that ) but each to their own perspective. People joining this thread may not have seen the comments in this thread before they got cleaned up by mods, but if they had, they would have seen what I was talking about.

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Those howling with indignation at the abuse received by Julia Gillard were strangely quiet when Abbott copped much worse (I'm not entirely restricting that comment to what's been posted historically on AFF).

And why would that be, I wonder? Was it the principle of not liking personal abuse in public discourse, or just the side? How fungible the morals of some are.

 

[Mattg]

Certainly an interesting turn of events last night. If anything, I think the Libs will have a significantly better chance at the next election now.

 

[Foreigner]

Rupert Murdock tweeted
"SAD to see such a decent man as Abbott toppled."

TA to me looks like he is too decent to be a politician. MT, on the other hand, appears to be a conniving sort.

 

[UP4014]

Just had my morning coffee ... huh? Where is everybody? The parties have wound up early? Surely not!

A promising start ...



But I'm not confident it will continue.

I suspect what Turnbull and his followers don't really appreciate that his popularity amongst the luvvies, ABC, Fairfax and the coughterati etc was only as a weapon of destabilisation. Now that he is a Liberal PM, the campaigns against him will be just as vicious and vindictive. But that's the Left's style, I guess.

I wonder if Labor will now go the full Jeremy Corbin in reaction? (No link, as the salacious choice is overwhelming!) Who's the ALP's equivalent hard-line Socialist nut-job?

And of course the Murdoch press against Labor which has always been over the top.

 

[UP4014]

Certainly an interesting turn of events last night. If anything, I think the Libs will have a significantly better chance at the next election now.

I agree, Abbott needed Shorten and Shorten needed Abbott. Will it be Albo versus Turnbull by next year which will even things up.

Matt

 

[drron]

TA can take a few days off and relax now, I would recommend the beaches of Marshall Islands to him.

Absolutely because the science says 80% of Pacific Islands are either the same size or larger than they were 30 years ago according to NZ researchers.The 20% that are smaller are because of the natural cycle of coral atolls.

 

[UP4014]

Rupert Murdock tweeted
"SAD to see such a decent man as Abbott toppled."

TA to me looks like he is too decent to be a politician. MT, on the other hand, appears to be a conniving sort.

But Abbott was a bloke who always wanted to fight something sometimes fighting the good fight but why, fine in opposition to create a strong image but with no substance, ie talked about health while ripping the money out.

 

[SeatBackForward]

Absolutely because the science says 80% of Pacific Islands are either the same size or larger than they were 30 years ago according to NZ researchers.The 20% that are smaller are because of the natural cycle of coral atolls.

So it was all just a joke then?

 

[RooFlyer]

So it was all just a joke then?

i'd call it more of a western-guilt inspired money grab by largely corrupt and incompetently governed Pacific Island nations.

So I guess yes, you could call it a joke, in much the same vein as those dried-up water reservoirs and ghost cities we were promised by about now.

 

[SeatBackForward]

i'd call it more of a western-guilt inspired money grab by largely corrupt and incompetently governed Pacific Island nations.

Irrelevant point as this occurs throughout history.

But getting back to the point, why would Dutton have made his poor joke, if his party are sceptics?

 

[RooFlyer]

But Abbott was a bloke who always wanted to fight something sometimes fighting the good fight but why, fine in opposition to create a strong image but with no substance, ie talked about health while ripping the money out.

Would that would be the infamous "$80 billion ripped out of health care" I think? The $80 billion that was (and still is) beyond the budgetary forward estimates and never in any Federal Budget? One of the grandiose but completely empty gestures of a former government. Actual money spent on heath care increases under every government - it has to, just to keep up. Money promised in and on the never-never, with no defined means of paying for it, doesn't count, I think.

 

[UP4014]

Would that would be the infamous "$80 billion ripped out of health care" I think? The $80 billion that was (and still is) beyond the budgetary forward estimates and never in any Federal Budget? One of the grandiose but completely empty gestures of a former government. Actual money spent on heath care increases under every government - it has to, just to keep up. Money promised in and on the never-never, with no defined means of paying for it, doesn't count, I think.

I was referring to the Howard era.

Anyway, it's over now and <redacted> can leave the building.

 

[RooFlyer]

Irrelevant point as this occurs throughout history.

But getting back to the point, why would Dutton have made his poor joke, if his party are sceptics?

The quote:

"Time doesn't mean anything when you're about to have water lapping at your door",

The facetious remark was about the time and schedule keeping habits of those in the Pacific Islands, not about the reality or otherwise of climate change #. If you have tried to do business in the SW Pacific, and engage with governments there, (as I have), you'd understand completely where he was coming from.

# Climate change is of course real, as any geoscientist will tell you, having studied the planet throughout its history. Its certainly nothing new, nor is the time factor; I always ask anthropomorphic climate change evangelists what was the cause of the initiation and then end of the last global ice age. Yet to get a good answer .

Any believers here care to offer a reason(s)?