Just not be on a plane on the ground there when the administrators take control and seize everything in sight to ensure payment!I am in EU in a few months. I might have to transit BER before the creditors march in! *sigh*
Not going to happen- that thing will be bailed out until eternity.I'm thinking the same!
Not going to happen- that thing will be bailed out until eternity.
Right now it’s the train station in Stuttgart, another hallmark of German inefficiency, that’s more and more running beyond budget. And before BER, it was the Philharmonic in Hamburg (which in the end turned out quite spectacular).
Germans are well used to suffering, mostly due to their own doing. Explains quite a few things about my birth country if you ask me…
Oh yes, Germans complain a lot (ask my Aussie partner!). But that’s the problem, you never know what is justified (Stuttgart 21) and what is not (the weather, public transport, the awful state of the German automotive industry etc.).Berlin, as fascinating and fun as it is, seems like the least stereotypically 'German' city in Germany to me.
I did struggle to find the right word and I was worried that stereotypical might imply that I was thinking of the "Gemütlichkeit" fairy-tale type Germany. That was not my intention and I am not really comparing it to Munich etc. Especially as it has been over 40 years since I was there. We have spent more time around Frankfurt and Stuttgart and it certainly feels a lot different to those cities. As regards the north we again haven't been in Hamburg for 40 odd years. Places like Lubeck, Wismar Stralsund in the far north do seem very different to Berlin and I realise that they are a lot smaller. And other cities like Bremen and Dresden are again very different. We haven't been to Dortmund, Dusseldorf Cologne etc- cancelled 2020 trip - but they may have a different feel.Oh yes, Germans complain a lot (ask my Aussie partner!). But that’s the problem, you never know what is justified (Stuttgart 21) and what is not (the weather, public transport, the awful state of the German automotive industry etc.).
And about Berlin- well that depends on who you ask. If stereotypical German is South-German “Gemütlichkeit”, then you’re definitely correct. But if you ask any of the Prussians from up North, I think most people will tell you that Berlin is the capital for a reason.
I know we’re getting off topic but Cologne and Düsseldorf have their very own beer hall “Gemütlichkeit”- highly recommended as very different from Munich but still involves beer which is always a plus in my booksI did struggle to find the right word and I was worried that stereotypical might imply that I was thinking of the "Gemütlichkeit" fairy-tale type Germany. That was not my intention and I am not really comparing it to Munich etc. Especially as it has been over 40 years since I was there. We have spent more time around Frankfurt and Stuttgart and it certainly feels a lot different to those cities. As regards the north we again haven't been in Hamburg for 40 odd years. Places like Lubeck, Wismar Stralsund in the far north do seem very different to Berlin and I realise that they are a lot smaller. And other cities like Bremen and Dresden are again very different. We haven't been to Dortmund, Dusseldorf Cologne etc- cancelled 2020 trip - but they may have a different feel.
To me the sort of 'anything goes' slightly anarchical vibe lots of Berlin gives off is what makes it feel different. I think a lot of it is left over from the days of the DDR and West Berlin. I gather the western part of the city was apparently a magnet for those who didn't feel at home in West Germany. As our friend from Bad Homburg, who loves Berlin, said the Berlin Mitte is the place where the bear dances - a saying that initially confused me but which I understand a lot better these days.
As regards the complaining bit, yes we certainly heard a lot of that. Especially about the roads and the truck traffic.
Thanks for the great update @Mattg I still haven't seen this new airport in my former home city so it's good to hear that it's not quite as bad as it sometimes sounded- I'll finally get the chance to check it out myself in September.I finally got a chance to fly out of BER today! Here are a few impressions.
The airport has good train connections, but it took me an hour to get there using the S-Bahn from Prenzlauer Berg. It would never have taken that long to get to TXL
Overall, a modern and functional airport. As much as I hate to admit it, it is way nicer than TXL and SXF. (Schönefeld Airport has been rebranded as BER Terminal 5, but is not currently operational.)
I really enjoyed my two visits to Berlin and thought it great fun but your comments certainly bought a laugh of recognition from me. It just feels like it is in a different country than the rest of Germany. Our German friends , even those who love Berlin, seem to think along the same lines as you. I assume that it is mostly a hangover from the East/West Divide days. But then again the naz_'s also hated it because the population, especially in the early days, were always trying to go their own way. Perhaps it is at least partly due to the loss of its ascendancy as the Imperial Hohenzollern capital.Thanks for the great update @Mattg I still haven't seen this new airport in my former home city so it's good to hear that it's not quite as bad as it sometimes sounded- I'll finally get the chance to check it out myself in September.
I'll forever miss Tegel- its ugliness was almost of cult like proportions and the convenience just unbeatable. At least the rude security staff have been taken over which will be a, cough cough, lovely memory. Sounds still very Berlin to me- the delay, the rudeness, the locked up duty free shops. Can't wait to see for myself!
And to add to this, it is now the centre of Government (who remembers Bonn) and yet the national carrier does not fly their direct from other capital cities.I really enjoyed my two visits to Berlin and thought it great fun but your comments certainly bought a laugh of recognition from me. It just feels like it is in a different country than the rest of Germany. Our German friends , even those who love Berlin, seem to think along the same lines as you. I assume that it is mostly a hangover from the East/West Divide days. But then again the naz_'s also hated it because the population, especially in the early days, were always trying to go their own way. Perhaps it is at least partly due to the loss of its ascendancy as the Imperial Hohenzollern capital.
Made it! 10 yrs later than first booked but as @Mattg reported the new airport is very good albeit very far from town. But €3.80 each way to pretty much anywhere in Berlin on the metro will keep the tight a’s (including SYD+1) happy!I was booked to fly in/out of the newly opened BER Easter 2012. I get to do it for the 1st time Easter 2022…
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For the better it will be. What an awful airport it was…Local press is reporting that the airport has abandoned plans to bring Terminal 5 (the old Schönefeld Airport) back into operation.