The COVID-19 vaccine rollout in Australia has begun

It will be the date Australia has finally declared its independence from COVID-19

Premature call.

We still need a vaccine approved for the under 16s and to actually receive all our Pfizer and Moderna shipments.

Unfortunately many of the state Premiers and the Feds have sadly said vaccination wont guarantee open boarders. Only NSW has publicly stated the vaccination target for international borders opening being 10 million doses.

We are a long way from being freed from Covid shackles including state border closures and other restrictions.
 
Perhaps you could site the evidence for this claim across the board for all ages? Because the original UK study that talked about longer gaps only made this recommendation for the older cohort (65+) who generally have weaker immune systems, and did not include data for the under 50s.
Administering the first and second dose of the AstraZeneca shot 12 weeks apart is a recommendation from ATAGI. However, they also say that it can be safely administered 4 weeks to 12 weeks apart. In my case, I got my first dose on Saturday, April 3, and my second dose on Saturday, June 26. It is important to keep in mind, though that I had the luxury of waiting 12 weeks apart as a Sydneysider as there frankly weren't any notable outbreaks of COVID-19 during that time. I suspect for many folks right now that luxury simply does not exist and many will opt for getting fully protected ASAP than taking this luxury. Keep in mind too, that most Australians aren't on immunomodulators as yours truly and thus may not need that 12-week window to ensure they get the optimal immune response.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, the best COVID-19 vaccine you can get is the one you can get right now. A lot of folks are tempted to choose the vaccines like they choose handbags waiting for something exotic like Pfizer, Moderna, or Armani jabs to become available. But the truth of the matter is they're all safe and effective.

Stay Safe,

KangarooFlyer88
 
No one, but its been reported many have been unable to get their second dose at exactly 3 weeks at the same venue as their first dose, because walks in had to make second booking in a separate transition from the first.
Why must it be exactly 3 weeks at the same venue? I made my second booking at a much more convenient location close to home...I just walked there and back. Have just cancelled my original 2nd appointment.

I heard these stories of no appointments within 6 weeks and ordered my partner to get on the phone and secure something. No issues at all getting an appointment at T+21-28 days in a variety of locations.

I don't know anyone that's had an issue booking appointments for Pfizer...even 50 somethings who entered the game late.
 
I read that more Pfizer bookings available at Melbourne hubs, so dialled up & brought my 14th July 2nd jab forward to 8th July.
Not sure what my urgency was, but more out of interest if there were actual spots & if I'd be able to do a swaparoo.

Again so quick to get thru on the phone.
Strangely I searched Online first to no avail slots.
Lady on phone told me slots turn up at random times, I find it extraordinary that one appeared minutes later when I called in. Guess anything possible when Vic gov involved ha!

Also told me 30 slots being opened up each morning, but they get taken quick.

Glad to join the FullVaxClub soon.
 
Why must it be exactly 3 weeks at the same venue?

I didn't say it had to be at the same venue and exactly 3 weeks apart. What I said is that is the problem being reported by some (not all) Melbournians.

I personally loved the convenience of being able to lock in bookings for both my doses at the same time. I made sure to book at a location I knew I could get to.

the best COVID-19 vaccine you can get is the one you can get right now

Actually the best vaccine is the one that gets you fully vaccinated in the least period of time from now without adverse health effects. Waiting a week for Pfizer appointment (if eligible) will see you fully protected much faster than getting AZ today.

Administering the first and second dose of the AstraZeneca shot 12 weeks apart

Is entirely unrelated to my post which was about LTOs claim that 6 weeks is optimal for Pfizer. But the source of that claim is a study on the elderly in the UK and did not make a blanket recommendation for all age groups.
 
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Have any Vic based AFFers had an issue getting their 2nd Pfizer vaccination appointment?

I may be cynical but perhaps the reports of issues getting a 2nd appointment may not be based on fact. However, if any Affers have had issues then I'll stand corrected.

There seems to be way too much 'agenda/opinion' vs 'fact' driven reporting in the media as the years go by.
 
Greg Hunt has confirmed that advice has not changed, this is the correct message he hasn't gone off script as some are claiming on this thread. As is stated earlier the way has been cleared for younger people to override health advice and get AZ, but the advice itself has not changed, and Pfizer remains the recommended vaccines for under 50s.

From SMH:

Federal Health Minister Greg Hunt said the medical advice had not changed and Pfizer remains the preferred vaccine for under 60s.

“Some GPs have reported that they have excess supply and excess spaces, and so if there are people who wish to access it, by informed consent, via the existing ATAGI rules, then that is simply being enabled,” he said.
 
Greg Hunt has confirmed that advice has not changed, this is the correct message he hasn't gone off script as some are claiming on this thread. As is stated earlier the way has been cleared for younger people to override health advice and get AZ, but the advice itself has not changed, and Pfizer remains the recommended vaccines for under 50s.

From SMH:

Federal Health Minister Greg Hunt said the medical advice had not changed and Pfizer remains the preferred vaccine for under 60s.

“Some GPs have reported that they have excess supply and excess spaces, and so if there are people who wish to access it, by informed consent, via the existing ATAGI rules, then that is simply being enabled,” he said.
The advice hasn’t changed. The situation has. Just as the various Govts will eventually move away from allowing their CHO’s to run the state at Covid Zero, to simply providing advice on how to manage Covid normal.
 
Federal Health Minister Greg Hunt said the medical advice had not changed and Pfizer remains the preferred vaccine for under 60s.
But he has not expanded access to Pfizer to under 40s so he has given us no choice but to get AZ. I will probably go to Jeff's Shed later in the week and see if by some miracle they have Pfizer doses that would otherwise go to waste and if not get an AZ shot.

Unless Greg Hunt commits in the next few days to making Pfizer available to my age group in July I reckon I'll be getting AZ. With limited Pfizer supply I can't see them expanding the age range of those eligible for Pfizer in the next few days.
 
Unless Greg Hunt commits in the next few days to making Pfizer available to my age group in July I reckon I'll be getting AZ. With limited Pfizer supply I can't see them expanding the age range of those eligible for Pfizer in the next few days.
He can't because there isn't supply. It's coming over in batches, being tested, then distributed but I'm sure you already know this. Maybe rent a place in country SA? It's really up to the States to determine their own Pfizer distribution as SA has opened it up to all ages in the country areas.
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Debatable, the current situation in terms of cases and hospitlisations is far less serious than Victorian second wave.
Well yes, I think that while hospitalisations remain low then that's another issue, isn't it.
 
Interesting. Maybe I've just been luckier with my health; I can't recall ever feeling a need to question doctors' advice, although of course I have had choices to make on occasion. I don't knowingly know(!) anyone who feels any different.

Malaria aside, I've never, ever been offered a choice of travel vaccinations; I didn't know this was even a possibility until I read your post. Maybe this is a UK v Australia thing as I've never had a travel vaccination here. In the UK, you go to your surgery (the vast majority of travel and other vaccines are free in the UK) and the nurse will ask you where you are going, what you are doing there, how long you'll be there, whether you will be in a remote area, etc, etc, look up what is recommended and stick it in your arm or backside. Is that not how it is done here then?

I had my first flu vaccine, here, last year. Wouldn't have crossed my mind to have one prior to Covid - flu vaccines were for old people! Again, didn't occur to me to question what I was given. Same this year.
It must be a UK v Australia thing. Travel vaccinations are not provided on Medicare here - you have to go to a private doctor and pay (a lot) for the vaccinations. You do get a guide as to what is recommended for where you are headed. For example, I have never needed to have Yellow Fever. You are offered things like - do you want cholera and typhoid shot - it is highly recommended for travel to let's say the Lao Peoples' Democratic Republic. If you say yes, then you get asked do you want combined cholera and typhoid or separate shots (they have different periods between boosters, so you might be out of cycle for getting combined if you travelled a lot like I used to). Do you want Hepatitis shots, and if so, do you want Hep A, Hep B, Hep C. And malaria treatments - this tablet works like this and has these side effects. Or you could have that tablet that works entirely differently, but it may make you suicidal (yes really!), or you could just use tropical strength DEET, a mozzie net and avoid being outdoors at sunset and sunrise.
 
I am now really confused: 2 weeks ago AZ was so risky it would only be recommended to persons older than 59; but now AZ is fine for people younger than 40.
Really, I think if the COVID is so bad that we need to have 4 capital cities locked down, masks worn everywhere etc etc etc, then clearly the tiny risk of blood clots for any age group should be accepted and people just get vaccinated so that we can get off this ridiculous open, shut them, open shut them lock them down again routine.
 
Interesting. Maybe I've just been luckier with my health; I can't recall ever feeling a need to question doctors' advice, although of course I have had choices to make on occasion. I don't knowingly know(!) anyone who feels any different.

Malaria aside, I've never, ever been offered a choice of travel vaccinations; I didn't know this was even a possibility until I read your post. Maybe this is a UK v Australia thing as I've never had a travel vaccination here. In the UK, you go to your surgery (the vast majority of travel and other vaccines are free in the UK) and the nurse will ask you where you are going, what you are doing there, how long you'll be there, whether you will be in a remote area, etc, etc, look up what is recommended and stick it in your arm or backside. Is that not how it is done here then?

I had my first flu vaccine, here, last year. Wouldn't have crossed my mind to have one prior to Covid - flu vaccines were for old people! Again, didn't occur to me to question what I was given. Same this year.
and, @louie-m , can I just say, how nice to have a genuinely curious, open-minded on-line chat about this. Thank you for your respectful courtesy.

And remember, I did say that I know I am being a bit irrational as I have had AZ and would always have preferred AZ - they just got my back up leaving me forced into it, with no choice at all in the matter.
 
No one, but its been reported many have been unable to get their second dose at exactly 3 weeks at the same venue as their first dose, because walks in had to make second booking in a separate transition from the first.

Yes but you keep trotting out the extended interval well after it actually is no longer occurring. Not that it actually happened in terms of making bookings for more than a day or so, and not that it was actually 6 weeks anyway. The 6 weeks was just the authorities stating that you did not have to panic as you actually had a 6 week window if required.

There was a brief delay from the surge plus the new State Hub Online Booking system being launched (The GP Online Booking system was previously already running).

Melbourne Exhibition Hub had a brief delay. 3km away at Royal Exhibition Hub there was no delay.

The ability to book at 3 weeks at more sites was soon resolved. Anyone who had booked a longer interval could change if they wanted too.

There is ample capacity to book second doses at 3 weeks if they wish it. Indeed there are empty slots and has been for some time for second doses.

However the advice remains that you do not need to get your second Pfizer dose at least 21 days apart.


Perhaps you could site the evidence for this claim across the board for all ages? Because the original UK study that talked about longer gaps only made this recommendation for the older cohort (65+) who generally have weaker immune systems, and did not include data for the under 50s.
For all ages? I made no such claim and as far as I am aware Pfizer is still not recommended for all ages.

The study that you may be referring to only looked at people older than 80 as that was the cohort it was studying., and it was to assess the affect on that age group the following the UK having for a time implemented a delayed second dose period. So it made no recommendations for younger people than that as they were not part of the study.
To determine whether the delay paid off, Amirthalingam and her colleagues studied 175 vaccine recipients older than 80 who received their second dose of the Pfizer vaccine either 3 weeks or 11–12 weeks after the first dose.
Most of the research revolves around the 21 days gap as that was the original Pizer Clinical Trial period. However in discussion on longer periods including in Canada where like the UK they have implemented at times longer periods between first and second doses when overall supply was low when had rampant virus spread, they have referred to a longer gap than 21 days as being likely to achieve better longterm immunity response. And similar references have been made elsewhere. However mostly they will stick to what Pfizer based their trials on, as to replicate those trials would be an expensive exercise.
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In Australia while virtually everyone will have had Pfizer second doses at about 3 weeks including in Victoria the range allowed is upto 6 weeks, and longer periods can be considered.
Guidance on interval between doses of Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine

Recommendations

The second dose of Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine should be administered at least 21 days after the first dose

The second dose can be routinely scheduled at any time between 21 days and 42 days (between 3 and 6 weeks) after the first dose

If epidemiological or operational considerations make administration within 42 days difficult, scheduling administration of the second dose up to 84 days (12 weeks) after the first dose can be considered

Even if the second dose of Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine is administered later than 84 days (12 weeks) after the first dose, no doses need to be repeated

Australian guidance

The TGA-approved Product Information for the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine recommends the two doses in a course should be spaced by at least 21 days[1]

The ATAGI Clinical Guidance on the use of COVID-19 vaccine in Australia in 2021 recommends that the two-dose course is completed within 6 weeks (42 days).[2]

The ATAGI Clinical Guidance also notes that longer intervals between the first and second doses may need to be recommended if warranted by epidemiological considerations, and that if the second dose of Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine is administered later than the recommended interval, no doses need to be repeated.2





[1] Australian Product Information – Comirnaty, TGA.
[2] Clinical guidance on use of COVID-19 vaccine in Australia in 2021, ATAGI.
 
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and a better immune response if given later. Say at around 6 weeks

There is no consensus that 6 weeks gives better response than 3 weeks, and only a small study in elderly.

Whilst it is safe to wait up to 6 weeks, the timeframe most commonly followed in Australia, USA, Israel, NZ and most of Western Europe is 3 weeks.

Given the urgency you seem to feel is required for everyone to get vaccinated, advising a 6 week wait is more beneficial than being fully vaccinated within 3 seems unwise.

Also as you know, Pfizer is approved for use in Australia for ages 16 and up, and whilst it is recommended for 16-69 we know many very elderly people also received it safely in 1A. In USA its approved for ages 12 and up.
 
Actually the best vaccine is the one that gets you fully vaccinated in the least period of time from now without adverse health effects. Waiting a week for Pfizer appointment (if eligible) will see you fully protected much faster than getting AZ today.
I agree. However, the reality may be different from what we're seeing now. The fact of the matter is access to Pfizer vaccines remains largely restricted to those between the ages of 40 to 60 and those deemed high priority (e.g. Phase 1a and Phase 1b) whose underlying health condition may prevent them from getting AstraZeneca. At the same time, the supply of Pfizer remains low with many clinics not receiving supplies of the vaccine until sometime in July.

I suspect there will be very many on this forum who are keen on getting vaccinated and do not want to wait 4 or 5 months to get their jab (e.g. those in their 20s), understand the relatively low risks associated with the AstraZeneca jab and want to have some protection now rather than the promise of getting full protection faster later.

Your Trusty,
KangarooFlyer88
 

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