The COVID-19 vaccine rollout in Australia has begun

[jakeseven7]

Unbelievable… so just caught a snip of the useless Queensland CMO saying she doesn’t want an 18 year old dying from a clot when they wouldn’t die of COVID, basically saying that COVID presents no risk to younger people. In that case, why would anybody get the vaccine! What a motivator for young queenslanders!

Honestly couldn’t make this stuff up.

She’s gone in 4 months please hit mute whenever you see any of our QLD leaders come on to talk

 

[N860CR]

She’s gone in 4 months please hit mute whenever you see any of our QLD leaders come on to talk

I usually do… but she made the intro-reel. Nearly threw my coffee at the TV.

Seriously… wtf is going on in this country?

 

[bcworld]

Not taking AZ = no chance of TTS, taking AZ 3-5% chance of TTS.

Sorry what? You're claiming that 3-5% of people taking AZ will suffer from TTS?

 

[Seat0B]

Booked in to get AZ Monday next week at my regular GP. A short walk from the office.

They have hundreds of doses in the fridge. As they need to give 10(?) doses at a time that limits how much they can give.

The cancellations from over 50s would have helped to increase supplies

Go you. I know you want to be ready as soon as possible to make your trip overseas.

 

[justinbrett]

You don't need treatment for TTS is if you don't get it the first place. Not taking AZ = no chance of TTS, taking AZ 3-5% chance of TTS.

From what I've read treatments for Covid have also improved , not that most younger people who get Covid need any treatment at all.

I'm not seeing any evidence of worsening health outcomes from contracting Covid for under 50s in Australia?

The number of people in hospital and ICU with Covid this June in Australia year is not more than last year June.

Delta may be more transmissible, but it isnt proving more dangerous so far here and certainly not for younger people.

So please explain how my Covid risk has increased? Id argue it has decreased due to some people being vaccinated.

We often agree in the other forum about not being so risk adverse when it comes to covid but you seem to be incredibly risk adverse here even
when that risk is taken on by a single informed individual that doesn't impact others.

The covid risk is not a static, QLD have managed (no judgement here) to have cases from four completely separate sources at the same time. There's no guarantee our success to date will continue forever. Also the vaccine ultra risk adverse strategy means international borders closed longer, more lockdowns - leading to how many secondary deaths from mental health? What about the Australians overseas who we won't let come home that are in far more risky situations?

If you want Pfizer, get Pfizer, but get out of the way for the people who are happy to get AZ. The government should be promoting it as an option, because it is an option. (And they are, they now ask you on the eligibility checker if you want AZ). For the under 40s that have no alternative, they deserve to know that is an option for them.

 

[justinbrett]

Sorry what? You're claiming that 3-5% of people taking AZ will suffer from TTS?

It's 3% of 3.1:100,000, which works out around 0.00009%, approximately 1:1,000,000

Not static as the death rate is coming down

 

[Lynda2475]

The covid risk is not a static, QLD have managed (no judgement here) to have cases from four completely separate sources at the same time.

That is a potential risk of being exposed to Covid, not an increasing risk of getting seriously ill from it.

get out of the way for the people who are happy to get AZ

I'm not in anyone's way, I have zero interest on joining the AZ queue. All the literature says Pfizer is the better choice for me.

 

[justinbrett]

That is a potential risk of being exposed to Covid, not an increasing risk of getting seriously ill from it.

Yes, but when you calculate risk, the two factors are possible outcome (severity) vs likelihood

At the moment, severity is decreasing but likelihood is increasing (vs where we were a few months ago)

 

[Lynda2475]

Not static as the death rate is coming down

But the TTS risk appears to remain at 5/100k for 40-49s, its not coming down.

The death rate from Covid is coming down as treatments improve.

At the moment, severity is decreasing but likelihood is increasing

Community cases are still a fraction of what they were in Victoria's second wave. 18-22 cases a day is not 800+.

Contracting tracing is better due to QRs and everyday more people are fully vaccinated so the likelihood decreases further.

Some people think the risk has increased due to media hype, the numbers dont support that right now.

 

[justinbrett]

Community cases are still a fraction of what they were in Victoria's second wave. 18-22 cases a day is not 800+.

Contracting tracing is better due to QRs and everyday more people are fully vaccinated so the likelihood decreases further.

Some people think the risk has increased due to media hype, the numbers dont support that right now.

Considering we're talking about literal one in a million odds of dying of AZ, the risk of contracting covid and dying from it could be in that ballpark or higher.

That's where the individual circumstances and discussion with the GP come in.

 

[justinbrett]

But the TTS risk appears to remain at 5/100k for 40-49s, its not coming down.

The death rate from Covid is coming down as treatments improve.

You're only telling half the story, a case of TTS is not a death sentence, only a 3% death rate that is coming down.

So with AZ, the chances of getting TTS is constant, but death rate decreasing

So at the moment the death rate of covid and TTS is around the same - is the chance of you catching covid 1 in a million? Probably not, it's probably higher.

Of course it all depends on your individual situation, go see your GP etc... feel like a broken record....

 

[Lynda2475]

You're only telling half the story, a case of TTS is not a death sentence, only a 3% death rate that is coming down.

As are you.

Based on Australian numbers to date if you get TTS it is a guaranteed trip to hospital. Then for those who get TTS there is 25% chance of ending up in ICU and 1 in 32 chance of dying.

If I get Covid it is highly unlikely I will end up in hospital, let alone ICU or dying. No one in my demographic (age or gender) has died from Covid in Australia (vs 1 one from AZ).

So I dont need to go and see my GP, as I will be getting Pfizer as is recommended so can go to the wonderful mass vaccination centre to get it without any drama.

We should be encouraging those who are eligible for Pfizer now to get Pfizer, as that means being fully vaccinated significantly faster.

 

[drron]

But the TTS risk appears to remain at 5/100k for 40-49s, its not coming down.

The death rate from Covid is coming down as treatments improve.

I could equally say that the case rate for Covid is going up as the death rate from TTS is decreasing.A true statement.
It is also quite possible that the incidence of TTS may begin to fall as we are starting to identify factors that make it more likely.See here.

Joint statement from ATAGI and THANZ on Thrombosis with Thrombocytopenia Syndrome (TTS) and the use of COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca

A joint statement from the Australian Technical Advisory Group on Immunisation (ATAGI) and the Thrombosis and Haemostasis society of Australia and New Zealand (THANZ) on Thrombosis with Thrombocytopenia Syndrome (TTS) and the use of COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca.

www.health.gov.au

There have been 2 deaths from TTS in Australia.The first was a 48 year old woman with multiple co morbidities-ie a person at much higher risk if she had got Covid.
The second was a 52 year old woman.No statement I can find of her health status before TTS.

 

[justinbrett]

As are you.

Based on Australian numbers to date if you get TTS it is a guaranteed trip to hospital. Then for those who get TTS there is 25% chance of ending up in ICU and 1 in 32 chance of dying.

If I get Covid it is highly unlikely I will end up in hospital, let alone ICU or dying. No one in my demographic (age or gender) has died from Covid in Australia (vs 1 one from AZ).

So I dont need to go and see my GP, as I will be getting Pfizer as is recommended so can go to the wonderful mass vaccination centre to get it without any drama.

We should be encouraging those who are eligible for Pfizer now to get Pfizer, as that means being fully vaccinated significantly faster.

1 in 32 chance of dying is a lot like a 3% death rate which I've been saying from the start, so unsure what part of the story I'm omitting (not considering hospitalisation rates for either condition, doesn't effect the death rate which is what most people are worried about).

I'd say the chances of you getting covid is a lot higher than 3:100,000 over the course of the pandemic.

The AZ take up is of under 40s, who can't get Pfizer and probably won't until very late in the year. We're not talking about those already eligible for Pfizer.

Let it be known if you want AZ you can get it, just see your GP first. Then we can please move on.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

1 in 32 chance of dying is a lot like a 3% death rate which I've been saying from the start, so unsure what part of the story I'm omitting (not considering hospitalisation rates for either condition, doesn't effect the death rate which is what most people are worried about).

I'd say the chances of you getting covid is a lot higher than 1:1,000,000.

The AZ take up is of under 40s, who can't get Pfizer and probably won't until very late in the year. We're not talking about those already eligible for Pfizer.

Let it be known if you want AZ you can get it, just see your GP first. Then we can please move on.

If you stop saying you in your reply (ie "if you want AZ you can get it, just see your GP"), you might have a better chance of this moving on.

 

[bcworld]

Now that I've had both my Pfizer shots I'm able to access the online booking system again and check availability. So with regard to the 'people in Melbourne can't get an appointment within 6 weeks of their first Pfizer' statement, this is what I see today if I look for availability.

Showgrounds....676 appointments between now and 28/07...so essentially any day between now and then and abundance of options.

Convention Centre...370 options....pick a time tomorrow

Sandown - 239 options


...and of course there are many more options to choose from.

I strongly would think that these complaints are arising from people not being able to book into the venue of their choosing. For example, the Alfred where I went is much smaller and has no availability.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Now that I've had both my Pfizer shots I'm able to access the online booking system again and check availability. So with regard to the 'people in Melbourne can't get an appointment within 6 weeks of their first Pfizer' statement, this is what I see today if I look for availability.

Showgrounds....676 appointments between now and 28/07...so essentially any day between now and then and abundance of options.

View attachment 251763Convention Centre...370 options....pick a time tomorrow

View attachment 251764Sandown - 239 options

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...and of course there are many more options to choose from.

I strongly would think that these complaints are arising from people not being able to book into the venue of their choosing. For example, the Alfred where I went is much smaller and has no availability.

I think the 6 week Pfizer discussion was about something else.

But good to see Pfizer availability in Melbourne - where are they at in terms of eligibility - eligible for 40s and 50s?

 

[bcworld]

I think the 6 week Pfizer discussion was about something else.

But good to see Pfizer availability in Melbourne - where are they at in terms of eligibility - eligible for 40s and 50s?

I'm not sure on that...I think under 60s? I have a 50 y/o friend booked in.

And no...that claim was that people who had had their first dose were unable to get a 2nd dose appointment within 6 weeks.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

I'm not sure on that...I think under 60s? I have a 50 y/o friend booked in.

And no...that claim was that people who had had their first does were unable to get a 2nd dose appointment within 6 weeks.

Thanks - I must be remembering a different discussion.

I didn't think anyone in Australia had difficulty getting a second Pfizer shot.

 

[mviy]

But good to see Pfizer availability in Melbourne - where are they at in terms of eligibility - eligible for 40s and 50s?

40-59 year olds. With those numbers I might head to one of those places and see if they’ll give it to me even though I am under 40 if they have some spare.