The COVID-19 vaccine rollout in Australia has begun

[Lynda2475]

3% is the current estimated TTS death rate, not covid

Given national Covid death rate is 2.97% you can understand the confusion.

 

[Flying mermaid]

So people who get TTS are somehow more important than other people? Please explain

And the total people hospitalised/dead from vaccinations are not as important as the people who will be so from either the flu or covid once we open up?


Even ignoring that younger people do get hospitalised and die from the flu, the sheer likely number of combined deaths and hospitalisations once we open up again will dwarf the number of adverse events from our entire vaccination program.

And everyone ignores the after effects of Covid, including on young people. Dr FM worked with a number of young doctors in London, who 6 months after they recovered from Covid were still barely able to work full shifts.

 

[Lynda2475]

I think you are comparing risk for the individual - I'm talking about the collective risk as a nation.

When making a decision to choose a riskier vaccine option you have to consider you personal health situation, to do otherwise is silly.

 

[jakeseven7]

What’s new - she has been unhinged all the way through.

What’s new? If you have a strong stomach watch it... New levels were achieved today. Shouting, lying, deflecting - It was a DISASTER and self-preservation was the number 1 priority (for all involved today).

4 more months till the CHO is moved on. Tick tock....

 

[Lynda2475]

And everyone ignores the after effects of Covid, including on young people. Dr FM worked with a number of young doctors in London, who 6 months after they recovered from Covid were still barely able to work full shifts.

I posted a link a couple of weeks ago re long covid in Australia and the instance of that was significantly lower here than reported over seas. The study contacted everyone who had tested positive in Australia, of course a few may not have replied.

 

[Pushka]

When making a decision to choose a riskier vaccine option you have to consider you personal health situation, to do otherwise is silly.

And that has never been in dispute. But a blank refusal - amongst people 60+ - is ridiculous.

 

[burmans]

Why would anyone be jealous? Both are excellent vaccines. And now millions have a choice to get vaccinated faster if they want. It’s win-win.

I really don’t understand what you have against this decision to drive broader access, it provides people with more options... whatever you personally decide to do and what to believe is up to you, it’s your decision.

Have to say I think this first statement is a bit naive. While I agree that the OP is totally over the top in her advocacy for Pfizer, nevertheless I know quite a few people who have had AZ but would rather have had Pfizer, and yes are jealous of those who can or have had Pfizer. I've had AZ and am quite happy with it but I don't let my personal opinions blind me to the fact that others do think differently, I don't have to agree with their opinions.

 

[Flying mermaid]

What’s new? If you have a strong stomach watch it... New levels were achieved today. Shouting, lying, deflecting - It was a DISASTER and self-preservation was the number 1 priority (for all involved today).

4 more months till the CHO is moved on. Tick tock....

Really - I gave up watching their pressers some time ago, but it sounds like I might need to watch this one.

 

[justinbrett]

When making a decision to choose a riskier vaccine option you have to consider you personal health situation, to do otherwise is silly.

Let the individual make the decision in consultation with their GP.

It does not need to be informed by the opinions of politicians or members of this forum.

 

[jakeseven7]

Have to say I think this first statement is a bit naive. While I agree that the OP is totally over the top in her advocacy for Pfizer, nevertheless I know quite a few people who have had AZ but would rather have had Pfizer, and yes are jealous of those who can or have had Pfizer. I've had AZ and am quite happy with it but I don't let my personal opinions blind me to the fact that others do think differently, I don't have to agree with their opinions.

Why are they jealous?

 

[openseat]

Oh it was all four of them. It was horrifying. If you don’t like your TV and want to throw a brick through it, rewatch it.

A lovely mix of lies, casual racism and ignorance just desperately trying to defect that a lot of this was our own mess.

Answers to many journalists questions quite rightly taking them to task was the classic ‘I don’t have those details’

Mind numbing.

The biggest anti-vaxxers in Australia, the lot of them! And all for a political point scoring exercise to divert attention from certain failures. On top of their public hesitancy in getting the vaccine themselves, this scorched earth move is unbelievable.

 

[jakeseven7]

Let the individual make the decision in consultation with their GP.

It does not need to be informed by the opinions of politicians or members of this forum.

Please stop advocating for choice and access in this forum it’s clearly not welcomed by some

 

[Lynda2475]

And that has never been in dispute. But a blank refusal - amongst people 60+ - is ridiculous.

Ive not been talking about over 60s their covid risk profile is different.

But as an under 50 female the Australian experience is that the chances of getting TTS from AZ higher than me ending up in hospital or dying from Covid.

I'm going for my Pfizer tomorrow (I've been patiently waiting for 5 weeks), there would have been zero benefit in me getting AZ yesterday (or even 5 weeks ago when I registered) as I will still be fully protected faster by choosing the Pfizer route.

 

[tomlee1986]

I think these vaccine decisions should best discussed with your GP, as everyone is different in how their body will react to certain types of vaccine if any

 

[jakeseven7]

The biggest anti-vaxxers in Australia, the lot of them! And all for a political point scoring exercise to divert attention from certain failures. On top of their public hesitancy in getting the vaccine themselves, this scorched earth move is unbelievable.

It will be really interesting to see the effect of the toddlers tantrum this morning....

QLD is already at the back of the pack for vaccinations.

Will be interesting to see in a week or two the effect it has had, whether NSW and VIC continue to streak ahead of us (being the big 3 states).

 

[Lynda2475]

I really don’t understand what you have against this decision to drive broader access, it provides people with more options... whatever you personally decide to do and what to believe is up to you, it’s your decision.

I dont have anything against the choice, I have issues with people promoting this choice as a recommendation for AZ for under 50s when it is not.

AZ formula has not been improved, there are still greater risk for younger people taking AZ over Pfizer, giving GPs indemnity doesnt change the TTS risk.

 

[Flying mermaid]

Have to say I think this first statement is a bit naive. While I agree that the OP is totally over the top in her advocacy for Pfizer, nevertheless I know quite a few people who have had AZ but would rather have had Pfizer, and yes are jealous of those who can or have had Pfizer. I've had AZ and am quite happy with it but I don't let my personal opinions blind me to the fact that others do think differently, I don't have to agree with their opinions.

I think “jealous” is a very strong, emotive word. If you use “prefer” then I would agree with you. I would have preferred to have had Pfizer and most of my friends would have as well. Mainly because there is a perception that Pfizer gives you that little extra protection. Can’t say I am “jealous” though. I was quite happy to get AZ in April and am really grateful that it was easily available compared to what is happening in Africa, where I know people across many different countries and it’s a vastly different story there.

it also means that I am only 2 weeks off being fully vaccinated and can view the current outbreaks with more equanimity than if I was still hanging out for Pfizer.

 

[justinbrett]

I dont have anything against the choice, I have issues with people promoting this choice as a recommendation for AZ for under 50s when it is not.

AZ formula has not been improved, there are still greater risk for younger people taking AZ over Pfizer, giving GPs indemnity doesnt change the TTS risk.

Ah but the prevention and treatment of TTS has been improved remarkably - so the risk is going down - vs the risk of covid, which like it or not, is going up.

‘We can treat it’: Mortality rate of rare condition linked to AstraZeneca shot plunges

Doctors are now confident they can detect and treat the rare blood clotting syndrome associated with AstraZeneca’s vaccine.

www.smh.com.au

 

[jakeseven7]

I dont have anything against the choice, I have issues with people promoting this choice as a recommendation for AZ for under 50s

So wait, you actually are ok with the decision being made to allow people to make their own choice (with medical consultation) but you just don’t want anyone to be told about that choice by promoting it’s existence? How do you propose they find out?

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

It will be really interesting to see the effect of the toddlers tantrum this morning....

QLD is already at the back of the pack for vaccinations.

Will be interesting to see in a week or two the effect it has had, whether NSW and VIC continue to streak ahead of us (being the big 3 states).

Well I think per capita that’s not exactly true.

In order
Tas
ACT
NT
Vic
WA (closest to AUS average)
Qld
NSW
SA

But I agree with the sentiment that Qld leadership today gave more confirmation for those in Qld that were already hesitant